Bicyclists v. motorists ends in violence in Albuquerque
11-16-18, 08:51 AM
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Bicyclists v. motorists ends in violence in Albuquerque
'Michael Gallegos and his son were riding bikes in the North Valley Tuesday afternoon when two men in a pickup almost hit them. Words were exchanged. Then the men in the truck beat and stabbed the father and son multiple times, according to police.'
https://www.abqjournal.com/1247047/a...ing-fight.html
https://www.abqjournal.com/1247047/a...ing-fight.html
11-16-18, 12:55 PM
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They should have given a friendly wave and said nothing after almost getting run over.
What a useless and insensitive comment!! Sigh
I sincerely hope they recover quickly from their injuries. I also hope they don't suffer any physiological issues going forward, as is often the case in such attacks.
11-16-18, 01:23 PM
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Always ride with a helmet-cam.
11-16-18, 02:00 PM
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"disable your ad blocker to continue"
Nope
I learned my lesson about talking **** to truck drivers a long time ago. Hung a bird right though the guys window just in front of his trailer park trash girlfriends face, nearly got run over, did get run off the road, and got to pick gravel out of my knee for a while. Nope. Ignore. Ride on.
I love the ignorant comment about reporting, like the cops will give two (craps) about that. The truly helpful comment was about a helmet cam.
Nope
I learned my lesson about talking **** to truck drivers a long time ago. Hung a bird right though the guys window just in front of his trailer park trash girlfriends face, nearly got run over, did get run off the road, and got to pick gravel out of my knee for a while. Nope. Ignore. Ride on.
I love the ignorant comment about reporting, like the cops will give two (craps) about that. The truly helpful comment was about a helmet cam.
11-16-18, 02:31 PM
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Vehicle passes too close (unfortunate they chose to do that, but no harm done)
Cyclists shout out their disapproval (unwise they chose to do that, but no harm done)
Both vehicle and cyclists could have continued on their way without further interaction (no harm to either party) but the driver made the conscious effort to turn the vehicle around and initiate contact. I suspect the thugs are familiar with the criminal justice system. If so, I hope they're sentenced accordingly.
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11-16-18, 03:52 PM
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One could argue that the confrontation began when the vehicle turned around.
Vehicle passes too close (unfortunate they chose to do that, but no harm done)
Cyclists shout out their disapproval (unwise they chose to do that, but no harm done)
Both vehicle and cyclists could have continued on their way without further interaction (no harm to either party) but the driver made the conscious effort to turn the vehicle around and initiate contact. I suspect the thugs are familiar with the criminal justice system. If so, I hope they're sentenced accordingly.
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Vehicle passes too close (unfortunate they chose to do that, but no harm done)
Cyclists shout out their disapproval (unwise they chose to do that, but no harm done)
Both vehicle and cyclists could have continued on their way without further interaction (no harm to either party) but the driver made the conscious effort to turn the vehicle around and initiate contact. I suspect the thugs are familiar with the criminal justice system. If so, I hope they're sentenced accordingly.
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That's what I was getting at by "paradox": if you are adequately protected from that sort of attack, it probably didn't happen in the first place.
11-16-18, 04:26 PM
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One COULD argue that, but you don't want to be having that discussion where you might well lose the argument. The legal downside is too steep, even worse if you have to use it. Therefore, for mentally stable and responsible adults, the fact that you are CC means that you never instigate, nor even seem to instigate. They will be exaggeratedly polite most of the time. Citizens I mean, not cops.
That's what I was getting at by "paradox": if you are adequately protected from that sort of attack, it probably didn't happen in the first place.
That's what I was getting at by "paradox": if you are adequately protected from that sort of attack, it probably didn't happen in the first place.
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11-16-18, 05:12 PM
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Whenever you ride a bike in traffic there is a long list of things you should EXPECT to happen out there. Close passes are in the Top 3, if not #1 on the list. If they did it on purpose, a reaction is what they WANT. If you didn't already know this, know it now, accept it, make peace with it, or surely your ride will be frustrating if not deadly.
In other words: Keep your trap shut and fingers on the handlebars. Close passes are part of the program.
11-16-18, 05:54 PM
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Seriously? Keeping quiet was my first thought too. Escalation to assault with a deadly weapon and attempted murder is almost always going to take bilateral engagement. Had the bicyclists just kept quiet and waved, they could likely have avoided a lot of blunt and sharp-force injuries.
11-16-18, 06:12 PM
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One could argue that the confrontation began when the vehicle turned around.
Vehicle passes too close (unfortunate they chose to do that, but no harm done)
Cyclists shout out their disapproval (unwise they chose to do that, but no harm done)
Both vehicle and cyclists could have continued on their way without further interaction (no harm to either party) but the driver made the conscious effort to turn the vehicle around and initiate contact. I suspect the thugs are familiar with the criminal justice system. If so, I hope they're sentenced accordingly.
-Kedosto
Vehicle passes too close (unfortunate they chose to do that, but no harm done)
Cyclists shout out their disapproval (unwise they chose to do that, but no harm done)
Both vehicle and cyclists could have continued on their way without further interaction (no harm to either party) but the driver made the conscious effort to turn the vehicle around and initiate contact. I suspect the thugs are familiar with the criminal justice system. If so, I hope they're sentenced accordingly.
-Kedosto
11-16-18, 06:27 PM
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A good deal of Darwinian behavior in this thread. I guess it's up to the reader to decide just what advances the species.
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11-16-18, 06:44 PM
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One could argue that the confrontation began when the vehicle turned around.
Vehicle passes too close (unfortunate they chose to do that, but no harm done)
Cyclists shout out their disapproval (unwise they chose to do that, but no harm done)
Both vehicle and cyclists could have continued on their way without further interaction (no harm to either party) but the driver made the conscious effort to turn the vehicle around and initiate contact. I suspect the thugs are familiar with the criminal justice system. If so, I hope they're sentenced accordingly.
-Kedosto
Vehicle passes too close (unfortunate they chose to do that, but no harm done)
Cyclists shout out their disapproval (unwise they chose to do that, but no harm done)
Both vehicle and cyclists could have continued on their way without further interaction (no harm to either party) but the driver made the conscious effort to turn the vehicle around and initiate contact. I suspect the thugs are familiar with the criminal justice system. If so, I hope they're sentenced accordingly.
-Kedosto
11-16-18, 07:14 PM
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In my community there’s a lot of gang violence and gunfire. Often there’s a sobbing mother claiming the victim was a “good boy” when in fact the “good boy” had a long list of felony convictions and was a menace to a civilized society. I absolutely agree that the smartest and safest thing to do is try to minimize the potential for conflict. Let it go. As Joey said upthread, close passes are part of the deal. Shouting or flipping the finger at every perceived transgressor will shorten ones lifespan. If the increased risk for violence doesn’t get you, the stress certainly will.
Again, the whole thing is sad. Even if dad and son were thugs, the penalty for the confrontation isn’t a baseball bat and a stabbing.
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11-16-18, 07:55 PM
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I have a story.
30 years ago I was on a 2-Day overnight bike tour with a local touring club. Most of us knew each other but every year for this ride there were always a few new faces. Three new guys from up in the Louisiana country near the Mississippi border joined us. Nice guys, talked funny. So Day-1 we all stop for lunch (30 cyclists, SAG, etc) and the three new guys didn't like the place we were eating so they continued on up old Highway 51 north of Manchac, LA. Before long a ratty pickup truck came up behind them blowing the horn because the three dudes from up-the-country were riding three abreast on this deserted 2-lane highway where the pickup could have easily just gone around them. But Noooooo. Everybody starts cussin' and middle fingers were flying wild until the pickup truck passed them, slammed on the brakes, and hit reverse. He took out ALL THREE of the cyclists. Then left the scene.
Our SAG had to take the three dummies to the nearest ER, so the rest of our day was SAG-free. Made a police report yada yada. Caught the driver of the pickup truck at a bar in Ponchatoula, LA just ten miles north of the "accident". He parked the truck right up front like he had no worries. Got arrested. No clue what happened after that report I got from our SAG driver that evening.
So....Redneck meet Hillbillys. The results are predictable.
11-16-18, 09:19 PM
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Colorado State Patrol has a reporting website and will actually do something about this type of driver. The video for proof is a bonus for them.
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11-16-18, 09:25 PM
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There’s another possibility in this scenario that hasn’t been considered. Perhaps the father & son cyclists are cut from the same cloth as the suspects. It’s easy for us to speculate that the father and son were spandex clad weekend warriors out for a comfortable ride when it’s possible they’re just as thuggish as the suspects and the shouting cited in the article was an ugly, chest thumping challenge for a fight. Not trying to cast aspersions here, but the article didn’t say they were riding to church either. We simply don’t know.
In my community there’s a lot of gang violence and gunfire. Often there’s a sobbing mother claiming the victim was a “good boy” when in fact the “good boy” had a long list of felony convictions and was a menace to a civilized society. I absolutely agree that the smartest and safest thing to do is try to minimize the potential for conflict. Let it go. As Joey said upthread, close passes are part of the deal. Shouting or flipping the finger at every perceived transgressor will shorten ones lifespan. If the increased risk for violence doesn’t get you, the stress certainly will.
Again, the whole thing is sad. Even if dad and son were thugs, the penalty for the confrontation isn’t a baseball bat and a stabbing.
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Don't bring a bicycle to a truck fight.
As well: don't bring a mouth to a knife fight.
You never know what murderous idiots might bring, in terms of willingness, tools to accomplish their goals, etc.
If you're going to say anything that can be misconstrued by a potentially violent sort, you'd better be fully prepared for the potential for violence by such people in retaliation for doing so ... even deadly violence.
To do anything else is simply dumb.
Forrest Gump's momma said it well: Life is like a box o' chocolates ... you never know what you're gonna get.
True enough. You never know. And "egging on" such people is unlikely to help anyone but them.
11-17-18, 08:28 AM
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Well ... the idea when followed fully, includes the concept of "Leave no witnesses."
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