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Old 09-05-18, 07:48 AM
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How are they clip-less?

I know this might sound like a stupid question but it's been in my head ever since I got "clip-less" pedals and shoes. What's with the name clip-less when in proper grammar it means without clips and the pedals are designed so you can clip-in.

I just don't get it!
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And why do we drive on parkways and park in a driveways?

They are clipless because they don't have toe clips.

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Originally Posted by indyfabz
And why do we drive on parkways and park in a driveways?

They are clipless because they don't have toe clips.

/thread
Why do we say we need to take a dump when we leave one. I can also mention another thing that starts with a b and ends in a b but probably breaking rules on here.

But that actually makes sense about the toe clips. But still think it's weird for it's still a clip. But whatever; just something that was buggin me.
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pedant less pedal more ..
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
And why do we drive on parkways and park in a driveways?

They are clipless because they don't have toe clips.

/thread
To continue the odd English usages: Why do we "dial" a phone? Phones haven't had "dials" for 25+ years. For that matter why do we call it a "dial tone"? For that matter, why do we call cell phones "phones"? They are, in fact, radios that send a signal to a repeater. A telephone sends a signal down a wire or some other physical object instead of sending signals by radio waves.

Why do some people call a television remote a "clicker"? TV remotes haven't "clicked" for 30 years and even when they did very few people used one.

More bicycle centric: Why do cranks have "chainwheels" and cassettes have "cogs" and derailer "pulleys" aren't (pulleys)? For that matter why do we insist on calling them "derailleurs" when that isn't even the French word for what they do?

"Clipless" pedals are just like those examples where something that was once used fell out of fashion and was replaced by something else. Yes, we could have called them "clip-in pedals" or "pedal bindings" (like ski bindings which is another name left over from long ago) but the former would have been confusing and the latter would have been too scary...see Cinelli M71 pedals, aka "death pedals".
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
To continue the odd English usages: Why do we "dial" a phone? Phones haven't had "dials" for 25+ years. For that matter why do we call it a "dial tone"? For that matter, why do we call cell phones "phones"? They are, in fact, radios that send a signal to a repeater. A telephone sends a signal down a wire or some other physical object instead of sending signals by radio waves.

Why do some people call a television remote a "clicker"? TV remotes haven't "clicked" for 30 years and even when they did very few people used one.

More bicycle centric: Why do cranks have "chainwheels" and cassettes have "cogs" and derailer "pulleys" aren't (pulleys)? For that matter why do we insist on calling them "derailleurs" when that isn't even the French word for what they do?

"Clipless" pedals are just like those examples where something that was once used fell out of fashion and was replaced by something else. Yes, we could have called them "clip-in pedals" or "pedal bindings" (like ski bindings which is another name left over from long ago) but the former would have been confusing and the latter would have been too scary...see Cinelli M71 pedals, aka "death pedals".
I think it's been more like 30 or more years since dial phones. I remember this being that I was given the task to call Croatia for my mother which isn't as easy as you think; takes a lot of attempts and with a dial phone that just sucks.

I was SO happy when they finally got a push-button phone with redial and the option to save numbers.
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Originally Posted by IvyGodivy
I just don't get it!
it was a dumb name when they 1st started using it & it stayed dumb. I refuse to use that term. I just call them cleated pedals & shoes
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6
I just call them cleated pedals & shoes
"Cleats" are what we used to call the shoes that one used with toe-clipped pedals because they had cleats on the bottoms.
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Yeah, I understand the reason for the terminology, but it is funny how they are called "clip-less" yet we "clip-in" with them.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
"Cleats" are what we used to call the shoes that one used with toe-clipped pedals because they had cleats on the bottoms.
oh really? ha! kinda like taps?
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I used to ride flat pedals. My friends would always ask me..."When are your going to ride clipped in?"
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Because "clipful" sounds dumb.

There really isn't a clip on either the shoes or the pedals. My theory is that the natural name should have been "click-in", but that the clicking sound was so associated with a malfunctioning pedal that marketing people wanted to avoid it.
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Originally Posted by one4smoke
Yeah, I understand the reason for the terminology, but it is funny how they are called "clip-less" yet we "clip-in" with them.
Well, yeah, but we clip into them without the need for toe clips on the pedals, i.e. "clipless." They make a toe clip unnecessary, hence "clipless." There's no toe clip on the pedal but you can still clip into it, so "clipless." And so on.
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
Why do some people call a television remote a "clicker"?
https://www.bikeforums.net/foo/11544...e-control.html

This was a blinding revelation to me. I had never heard anyone other than my wife (who is British, and therefore lives in a time warp) call it that.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
Because "clipful" sounds dumb.

There really isn't a clip on either the shoes or the pedals. My theory is that the natural name should have been "click-in", but that the clicking sound was so associated with a malfunctioning pedal that marketing people wanted to avoid it.
I've always thought that 'locked-in" would be a much better term.
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Originally Posted by wgscott
https://www.bikeforums.net/foo/11544...e-control.html

This was a blinding revelation to me. I had never heard anyone other than my wife (who is British, and therefore lives in a time warp) call it that.

My grandma had one of those "space command" clickers, and since the frequencies were too high to hear, all you heard was the clicking sound of the hammer engaging. They definitely worked, but the functions were very basic, channel up and down, volume up and down.
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Originally Posted by one4smoke
Yeah, I understand the reason for the terminology, but it is funny how they are called "clip-less" yet we "clip-in" with them.
We click in.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
the functions were very basic, channel up and down, volume up and down.
I didn't realize Apple had a remote back then.

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Originally Posted by one4smoke
I've always thought that 'locked-in" would be a much better term.
A marketer's dream! Probably one step below "spiked heel".
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Originally Posted by wgscott
I didn't realize Apple had a remote back then.


As I recall, the thing was heavy enough to double as a weapon, and had the styling of a 1960s city bus.
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