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I have found wire bead tires are generally much easier to mount, never had one of those I couldn't mount by hand with a little baby powder.
Folding tires just give me more problems, especially those Panaracers in 28 mm.
Folding tires just give me more problems, especially those Panaracers in 28 mm.
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That's not a bad idea. A good tire/rim registry, including the rim tape used. Of course, it would need constant updating, but that's the nature of these things.
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Sorry, I just thought it was kind of an odd thing to say. Usually you don't know that a tire is going to be a PITA to mount until you discover it the hard way, which means after you purchased it.
In my case, it was 28mm Vitoria Corsa G+ tires and H+ and Sons rims. Neither of these, alone, should be a cause for concern, but I cannot mount that tire on that rim with anything short of a tire jack. I won't be buying them again, but I'd still like to get my $80 worth out of those tires.
I don't have much experience with tubeless, but I do get the sense that most tubeless tires can be a real struggle.
In my case, it was 28mm Vitoria Corsa G+ tires and H+ and Sons rims. Neither of these, alone, should be a cause for concern, but I cannot mount that tire on that rim with anything short of a tire jack. I won't be buying them again, but I'd still like to get my $80 worth out of those tires.
I don't have much experience with tubeless, but I do get the sense that most tubeless tires can be a real struggle.
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I'm reminded of the old "Grab-On" foam rubber handlebar padding that everyone used to use in the late 70's. I used to use shaving cream to slide that stuff on my bars, the new tires are pretty much the same way, you'll need some help, preferably something that will dry out soon and not leave a residue.
I have found that the hypodermic syringe with tube extensions are very convenient in avoiding a messy disaster. Also, putting the tires on with soapy water, and seating BEFORE you install sealant. Once they're seated, depressurize, remove the presta core and add the sealant. Then reinstall the core and repressurize. At least that's my paradigm. Trying to seat tires with a full sealant complement is just begging for your walls to look like Jackson Pollock had at them.
The hypodermic arrangement I got off Amazon:
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Sorry, I just thought it was kind of an odd thing to say. Usually you don't know that a tire is going to be a PITA to mount until you discover it the hard way, which means after you purchased it.
In my case, it was 28mm Vitoria Corsa G+ tires and H+ and Sons rims. Neither of these, alone, should be a cause for concern, but I cannot mount that tire on that rim with anything short of a tire jack. I won't be buying them again, but I'd still like to get my $80 worth out of those tires.
I don't have much experience with tubeless, but I do get the sense that most tubeless tires can be a real struggle.
In my case, it was 28mm Vitoria Corsa G+ tires and H+ and Sons rims. Neither of these, alone, should be a cause for concern, but I cannot mount that tire on that rim with anything short of a tire jack. I won't be buying them again, but I'd still like to get my $80 worth out of those tires.
I don't have much experience with tubeless, but I do get the sense that most tubeless tires can be a real struggle.
Sometimes you need to be flexible yourself. I cringe when I see people on the C&V forum talk about how hard it is to get tires on and off their new rims, only to find out that they've been using Velox rim tape on tubeless-ready rims and refuse to switch to something sensible.
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Sometimes you need to be flexible yourself. I cringe when I see people on the C&V forum talk about how hard it is to get tires on and off their new rims, only to find out that they've been using Velox rim tape on tubeless-ready rims and refuse to switch to something sensible.
OTOH, my 28mm Clement Strada tires went on and off with no drama.
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It may be of interest that for installing golf grips on steel club shafts, you use mineral spirits.
Getting the tires mounted can be tough because of the tight fit. But I've also had problems getting the things to seat even with compressor air. And my experience with sealants is disappointing. Stan's seals ok but the rubber particles settled in my bottle. Bontrager has been less effective at sealing, and has some particles that settle out too fast. I'll get something figured out at some point, but it's kind of a PITA.
Getting the tires mounted can be tough because of the tight fit. But I've also had problems getting the things to seat even with compressor air. And my experience with sealants is disappointing. Stan's seals ok but the rubber particles settled in my bottle. Bontrager has been less effective at sealing, and has some particles that settle out too fast. I'll get something figured out at some point, but it's kind of a PITA.
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I've heard good things, and so this is my next step, but I have a 32 oz bottle of Bontrager TLR and at 1.5-2 oz per refill, even with two bikes that are tubeless, that's a couple of years before I need another bottle.
Then again, with my 32oz bottle of Stan's, the rubber had settled like a wad of chewing gum on the bottom of the bottle after about a year. So, we'll see.
Then again, with my 32oz bottle of Stan's, the rubber had settled like a wad of chewing gum on the bottom of the bottle after about a year. So, we'll see.
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I'm not sure that's even practical. I've had one make and model tire be easy to install on my rim and another "identical" tire on the same rim be very difficult. Bike tires aren't precision devices.
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True, seems like everything with bikes comes with caveats. Still, I think a registry of people’s experiences could be helpful. If a particular rim and tire combination were noted to be “impossible” by several people I’d be happy to know that before buying.
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With the newer Panaracer folding tires (Pasela, Gravel King) the rubber is very tacky around the bead, which makes them difficult to slide over the rim lip when the tires are new. It's not that the tires are too small, they're just really difficult to slide onto the rim.
For 50 years I had gotten by with using baby power to mount new tires, but with these new Panaracer tires, I've had to start using liquids to overcome the tacky beads. I used olive oil on one set of tires, and soapy water (probably a better option) on the second set. Someone mentioned using the soapy fluid that's sold for blowing bubbles.
I'm reminded of the old "Grab-On" foam rubber handlebar padding that everyone used to use in the late 70's. I used to use shaving cream to slide that stuff on my bars, the new tires are pretty much the same way, you'll need some help, preferably something that will dry out soon and not leave a residue.
For 50 years I had gotten by with using baby power to mount new tires, but with these new Panaracer tires, I've had to start using liquids to overcome the tacky beads. I used olive oil on one set of tires, and soapy water (probably a better option) on the second set. Someone mentioned using the soapy fluid that's sold for blowing bubbles.
I'm reminded of the old "Grab-On" foam rubber handlebar padding that everyone used to use in the late 70's. I used to use shaving cream to slide that stuff on my bars, the new tires are pretty much the same way, you'll need some help, preferably something that will dry out soon and not leave a residue.
Not much worse than airing up a tire you fought to mount and hear the hiss of a pinched tube.
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I had one to install Marathon tires. I will no longer buy them and gave mine to a friend with MS who needs all the help she can get. I have a VAR tool that takes care of any tires I now use.
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Yup, that Kool Stop bead jack is fantastic. Any good bead jack is a plus for folks with arthritis or chronic hand injuries. Makes all the difference, especially in cold, wet conditions.
I carry it in my jersey pocket on the road bikes or handlebar bag on the hybrid for myself and other folks in group rides. Haven't even bothered to shorten the handle.
While it'd be nice to avoid combos of rims and tires that are too tight, it isn't always practical. I like my Schwalbe Ones and Conti Ultra Sport 2's, and they fit tight on every rim I've tried -- Araya, Wolber, Alex. I'm not gonna give up good tires over a snug fit.
There's a similar but simplified bead jack that for now has only been available in the UK market, but could be mail ordered. Costs a little less. It lacks the articulating doodad on the Kool Stop, but users report it works well. It's flatter too.
I carry it in my jersey pocket on the road bikes or handlebar bag on the hybrid for myself and other folks in group rides. Haven't even bothered to shorten the handle.
While it'd be nice to avoid combos of rims and tires that are too tight, it isn't always practical. I like my Schwalbe Ones and Conti Ultra Sport 2's, and they fit tight on every rim I've tried -- Araya, Wolber, Alex. I'm not gonna give up good tires over a snug fit.
There's a similar but simplified bead jack that for now has only been available in the UK market, but could be mail ordered. Costs a little less. It lacks the articulating doodad on the Kool Stop, but users report it works well. It's flatter too.
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Sometimes you need to be flexible yourself. I cringe when I see people on the C&V forum talk about how hard it is to get tires on and off their new rims, only to find out that they've been using Velox rim tape on tubeless-ready rims and refuse to switch to something sensible.
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I had used these and did not find them of much help. Go with the Kool Stop or Var. I have them both and have found them very useful for those tight fits.