Long Haul Thirsty Tourist ?
09-20-18, 11:08 PM
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Not aware of any frames with that many, but is there a reason you need five? You can carry extra water in your bags and refill as needed. Or carry a bladder. Or get a bike you can mount a cages on the fork. Or a feed bag or two from Revelate on the stem.
09-20-18, 11:35 PM
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Quite a few bikes have three pairs of threads for mounting bottle carriers. The real issue is the volume required to be consumed within a certain period.
ost bike bottles are around 750ml, but there are a few, including Magnums, that get close to close to a full litre. The trade-off for tourists is that if there are two or three mounting points for standard bottles, extra bottles might be accommodated in the bags also mounted on the bike and may need to be swapped as the original ones ae emptied.
A certain degree of planning each day's ride also might be needed to ensure drinking water is available at stop-points along the way..
ost bike bottles are around 750ml, but there are a few, including Magnums, that get close to close to a full litre. The trade-off for tourists is that if there are two or three mounting points for standard bottles, extra bottles might be accommodated in the bags also mounted on the bike and may need to be swapped as the original ones ae emptied.
A certain degree of planning each day's ride also might be needed to ensure drinking water is available at stop-points along the way..
09-21-18, 12:19 AM
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sure. frames often come with 3 sets of braze ons. the one under the downtube may interfere with fenders depending on bottle size, and might need a velcro strap to keep the weight of water from bending the cage.
i prefer to use the 3rd cage to carry a tool-kit bottle with tube and levers.
some forks have braze ons for water bottles or anything cages.
you can buy clamp on cages to attach to the frame, to the handlebars, and there's a dual-bottle carrier that attaches to the seat.
but why? if you need that much water it's probably very hot and sunny. leaving your water in bottles exposed means yucky hot water.
one or two bottles on the frame should be enough for easy access. carry more bottles in saddlebags or trunk bag or front platform, or put a bladder in a frame bag.
09-21-18, 04:41 AM
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09-21-18, 04:54 AM
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If your bike has three sets of water bottle braze-ons, simply buy three Kleen Kanteen 40oz bottles with three of the Velo Orange Mojave cages. It's a pricey setup, but my motto has always been, "Buy once. Cry once."
09-21-18, 06:11 AM
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I've seen the fork idea before, in that case the cyclist used 1.5 L soda bottles.
Carrying so many small, heavy bottles is a reliable way to carry water, but not the most weight-efficient. Re-purposed soda bottles will fit in standard cages. A typical bike bottle weighs much more, carries much less.
If you also carry a pack, use one or more Platypus 2+ L bladders for bulk carrying, only 1 oz. Refill the frame bottles at breaks.
Carrying so many small, heavy bottles is a reliable way to carry water, but not the most weight-efficient. Re-purposed soda bottles will fit in standard cages. A typical bike bottle weighs much more, carries much less.
If you also carry a pack, use one or more Platypus 2+ L bladders for bulk carrying, only 1 oz. Refill the frame bottles at breaks.
09-21-18, 08:17 AM
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My Surly Troll has two mount points inside the triangle and one mount point on each leg of the fork. Three of those four are triple mounts, compatible with Anything Cages, which can carry quite a bit more. I believe newer modes have triple mounts under the downtube as well.
I also have a King Cage stem cap mount: King Cage: Bicycle Waterbottle Cages
And a Minoura saddle bottle mount. They also make a double mount to hang two cages off the back of your seat: Accessories | MINOURA JAPAN
But for all those options, I never carry more than two bottles. If I need more water than that, I carry a bladder. If I were really worried about carrying enough, I could likely fit a two liter, or even a three liter in my Anything cages. For a bike without the three-boss-mounts, I would look at the Blackburn Cargo Cage: Outpost Cargo Cage I think that uses the standard two mounts.
I also have a King Cage stem cap mount: King Cage: Bicycle Waterbottle Cages
And a Minoura saddle bottle mount. They also make a double mount to hang two cages off the back of your seat: Accessories | MINOURA JAPAN
But for all those options, I never carry more than two bottles. If I need more water than that, I carry a bladder. If I were really worried about carrying enough, I could likely fit a two liter, or even a three liter in my Anything cages. For a bike without the three-boss-mounts, I would look at the Blackburn Cargo Cage: Outpost Cargo Cage I think that uses the standard two mounts.
09-21-18, 09:42 AM
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pakeboi never buys anything, continued..
Pay a shop to Add them then, then get frame re powder coated..
drill, set pop rivets no re paint needed
Or get a custom* rather than off the shelf frame
internet shows these r side by side where one went on top..
https://www.wolftoothcomponents.com/...e-cage-adapter
My 2* had 2 bottle bosses on top of the downtube, 1 under + the one on the seat tube..
add a couple in tour bags , behind the saddle or on the handlebars,
a bike shipping job, She had 2 bottle cages on the fork blades (rather than Panniers)
and the ones on the frame..
[ Thorn Raven frame , so for Rohloff, from SJS Cycles UK (not custom), not light]
*1 in 1965, 2nd one in 1992.. no Brand ..
Intend on doing Desert riding? which Desert?
...
drill, set pop rivets no re paint needed
Or get a custom* rather than off the shelf frame
internet shows these r side by side where one went on top..
https://www.wolftoothcomponents.com/...e-cage-adapter
My 2* had 2 bottle bosses on top of the downtube, 1 under + the one on the seat tube..
add a couple in tour bags , behind the saddle or on the handlebars,
a bike shipping job, She had 2 bottle cages on the fork blades (rather than Panniers)
and the ones on the frame..
[ Thorn Raven frame , so for Rohloff, from SJS Cycles UK (not custom), not light]
*1 in 1965, 2nd one in 1992.. no Brand ..
Intend on doing Desert riding? which Desert?
...
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09-21-18, 11:53 AM
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I am not aware of one with more than three.
It sounds like you are looking for just the right combination "light" but also carrying more water? On rare occasion I've carried up to 18 liters of water, but beyond the first three bottles (2L), I started with Camelbak, bladders, etc. More normally in northern Australia I was traveling with 8L split between three bottles on the frame and a Camelbak with two 3L bladders.
It sounds like you are looking for just the right combination "light" but also carrying more water? On rare occasion I've carried up to 18 liters of water, but beyond the first three bottles (2L), I started with Camelbak, bladders, etc. More normally in northern Australia I was traveling with 8L split between three bottles on the frame and a Camelbak with two 3L bladders.
09-21-18, 01:10 PM
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OK, that gets you to four, if you mount cages on the fork. The fifth? You still have many other options mentioned already.
Looks like the current Troll model had three cage mounting points on the frame and two on the fork.
Looks like the current Troll model had three cage mounting points on the frame and two on the fork.
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09-21-18, 05:13 PM
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yup, my Troll has 5.
but never used the fork ones as a front rack is there.
+2 on storing extra water in a pannier as it gets less gross hot. I regularly carried a 1.5l and 1 l. store bought bottles with water that I filtered myself in my right rear pannier, along with my sleeping bag, camp mat and pillow and some other stuff. Along with two bike bottles on the frame, this is about 3.5-4l which was a good amount to have in hot riding, when access to stores was still ok but better to have extra in case there was a stretch of not seeing any stores or whatever.
but never used the fork ones as a front rack is there.
+2 on storing extra water in a pannier as it gets less gross hot. I regularly carried a 1.5l and 1 l. store bought bottles with water that I filtered myself in my right rear pannier, along with my sleeping bag, camp mat and pillow and some other stuff. Along with two bike bottles on the frame, this is about 3.5-4l which was a good amount to have in hot riding, when access to stores was still ok but better to have extra in case there was a stretch of not seeing any stores or whatever.
09-21-18, 06:08 PM
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Just brazed up a frame for my daughter and have 4 H2O mounts on the main tubes. 2 on the top of the down tube, 1 on the bottom of the down tube, and one on the seat tube. She likes the small bottles and can carry 4 of them when needed, or 3 and use the one on the bottom of the down tube as a tool caddy. When building a frame from scratch there options are nearly limitless.
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yup, my Troll has 5.
but never used the fork ones as a front rack is there.
+2 on storing extra water in a pannier as it gets less gross hot. I regularly carried a 1.5l and 1 l. store bought bottles with water that I filtered myself in my right rear pannier, along with my sleeping bag, camp mat and pillow and some other stuff. Along with two bike bottles on the frame, this is about 3.5-4l which was a good amount to have in hot riding, when access to stores was still ok but better to have extra in case there was a stretch of not seeing any stores or whatever.
but never used the fork ones as a front rack is there.
+2 on storing extra water in a pannier as it gets less gross hot. I regularly carried a 1.5l and 1 l. store bought bottles with water that I filtered myself in my right rear pannier, along with my sleeping bag, camp mat and pillow and some other stuff. Along with two bike bottles on the frame, this is about 3.5-4l which was a good amount to have in hot riding, when access to stores was still ok but better to have extra in case there was a stretch of not seeing any stores or whatever.
09-22-18, 01:05 PM
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Basically any frame-set that has the mounts on the fork will probably also have a few on the frame. My Sand County frame has the standard two on the fork, three on the frame set-up. But as with most everyone else, I say why? I also never carry more than two bottles on the frame, in the main triangle. If I need more then I put an extra bottle in each rear pannier(upright just in case of leaks...). If I really wanted more water and didn’t have extra pannier space(not using a full four bag set-up on a short trip or something), I think I’d try out the mount that goes behind the seat and holds two bottles. I think they’re for triathlons.
09-22-18, 07:56 PM
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I have a Profile Designs dual seat-post mount cage--I guess it's basically intended for aero/tri bikes but works OK for touring in addition to frame cages (one of which I use for a tool-storage bottle).
09-23-18, 05:21 PM
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One guy on here has a Schwinn Cimarron with five, but one is on the stem
09-23-18, 08:05 PM
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I use a full frame bag on my adventure bike, and it takes the two bottle cage spots inside the triangle. A 3 liter bladder fits in the top compartment with room for a Topeak pump, bear spray and a couple spare tubes. The bottom compartment holds other stuff, but I can fit a total of six water bottles inside the bag. There's a cage on the bottom of the down tube that I use to carry an aluminum bottle with stove fuel. Do I need to carry six bottles all the time? No, but in temperatures reaching 90+, sometimes a bottle poured on the head feels pretty good to this old guy. And lots of times I don't pass by a refill source.
09-23-18, 08:11 PM
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King Cage top mount. Have it on both my bikes. Its great.
09-24-18, 02:12 PM
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When I toured across Canada in '15, one guy bought an aluminum plate, had it drilled to bolt on 3 bottle cages, and then bolted that onto his rear rack. It was a pretty ingenuative design. Can you not just carry water purification tablets? Why would you need to carry THAT much water/weight? Unless of course you sweat more than me, and its +30C (+90F), then I completely understand. I had one day of riding in BC where I drank 13 litres of water and gatorade and didn't pee a drop that day! OMG was it freaking hot!
09-24-18, 08:42 PM
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Folks need to tour in Mid-Atlantic USA, so much rain I think one can absorb enough water thru the skin & lungs. I've read that some folks make an accessory bar with add'l stem & cut-off handlebar section, that might be handy for bolting on extra bottle cages.
09-24-18, 08:44 PM
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You know you could just tour on a tandem, with all those extra bottle mounts. Problem solved.
09-24-18, 09:41 PM
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Carry your water in your panniers. Extra water bottles on your bike isn't as glamourous as you imagine, very weight and drag inefficient; not to mention all the bottles you need to keep track of. I have three mounting points on my frame and I don't even use the third one. It gets dirty under the down tube. I've done some unsupported desert crossings and have had as much as 25L of water in my panniers.
