Bianchigirll 

Is there someone near Pasaden Calif that would inspect a frame for me? Maybe even ship it, for a small gratuity, cheaper than the seller?

I posted on the facistbook I was officially looking for a good tall Mixte frame and got lots of replies and suggestions. One was this great looking Bob Jackson but I wondering if the frame is just sadly dirty or if the paint is really this bad and can't be cleaned up with a little cleaning and turtle wax. Sadly the Reynolds decal is completely destroyed so no real way to tell if TreTubi or full frame. The 26.2 seatpost seems odd though.

Achtung! Attention! attenzione! I am not looking for value information with this post just a n inspector to look at the frame. The link is for information only as maybe someone may know or delt with the seller.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/37519186681...Bk9SR9DH6OS3Yw














USED Vintage Bob Jackson Steel Mixte Road Frameset 56cm Orange
For sale is a USED Bob Jackson mixte road frame set. The medium sized frame features excellent lug work, Campagnolo dropouts, headset, and cable guides, and includes a Blackburn rear rack.

SPECS:

• Size: Medium / 56cm
• Seat Tube (c-t): 57.5 cm
• Seat Tube (eff): 56 cm
• Top Tube (c-c): 55 cm
• Top Tube (eff): 57 cm
• Head Tube: 13.5 cm
• Steer Tube: 17.5 cm
• Spacing (F/R): 100mm [F] / 120mm [R]
• Wheel Size: 700c
• Serial: 328
• Weight: 8.3 lb / 3.75 kg

COMPONENTS:

• Frame: Bob Jackson, lugged, mixte
• Fork: Bob Jackson, sloping crown
• Headset: Campagnolo, 1" threaded
• Seatpost: 26.2mm, not included
• Bottom Bracket: English threaded
• Front Derailleur: 28.6mm band, not included
• Brake Type: Long reach sidepull calipers, not included
• Extras: Blackburn rear rack

CONDITION: Well used 40+ year old vintage bicycle frame. Frame has grease stains and chips in paint. No apparent dents. Headset bearings are a little crunchy but usable.

SIZING: Based on traditional sizing, it could fit someone 5'6" - 5'10". Please note this is an approximate range and the buyer is responsible for verifying the fit before purchase.

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SKU: 210000054885
20240111 - JB

52telecaster

I'm no help but that looks real cool!

TmMc

'Around the Cycle' is a real storefront cycle shop, not just an eb*y seller. You might want to go to their website, get their phone number and just talk with them. See if there's a deal to be made there. You might want to ask them to detach the rack for a smaller package?

I've bought a couple of bikes from them. Both were well packed, and their shipping costs at the time were not that bad.

But sorry I am too far away to go there.

juvela

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small bits, in case of interest -

lug pattern: BOCAMA 31/1

seat lug: BOCAMA pattern Y

laterals bridge: BOCAMA Plain

bottom bracket shell: BOCAMA Professional

fork crown: appears it may be the Harrington rather than the more commonly encountered Davis, unable to be sure from image

see no problem


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Maxey

There's really no way of knowing until you see it in person (hence your request for someone to go inspect it), but from my distant view I'd say the paint has an honest, consistent patina that would clean up nicely, leaving you with a frame with, well, a nice patina. The crumbled Reynolds decal is all too common but also consistent with the frame's general patina. All in my humble, amateur opinion, of course...

repechage

Fortunately the frame is in Southern California. The diagonal tube brace at the seat tube is made up of stamped steel, note it was never closed up with braze. That is my concern. Water gets in there and it is only evaporation that removes it.

gugie 

Saw that as well. Two things that could be done to rectify:
1. Have a framebuilder fill that gap. Of course, you'd be torching a goodly amount of paint.
2. Use some sort of derusting agent in the gap, clean and rinse as best you can, mask it and fill with JB weld. If needed, touch up the paint.

Other than that, it's a great mixte, high quality ones are hard to find.

curbtender

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...l#post23154642

repechage

As a former Bob Jackson owner, you hold them in higher regard than I would.

a rust remover/ neutralizer could do a decent job of clearing out the oxidation. I would really consider getting it brazed up. This would really push a repaint or it will be marching toward Ugly Betty territory.

all of that work plummets the value before repair.

gugie 

Since I've never owned a Bob Jackson, I assume you mean you've owned a Bob Jackson, and don't hold them in high regard?

Quality vintage mixtes are hard to find, especially in a larger frame size. I'm comparing this to what you normally find on the market. I did find this one, really tall, but it's in Great Britain. Here's a 531 Dawes in about the same size, and it's located in the same town as one of our BFer's.

Braze it up and repaint? That's gonna cost a lot, maybe twice or more what the frame is selling for. Filling that gap with JB weld would be a lot cheaper, and save the paint.

So it's not a question of what you or I would do, I'm merely suggesting another option, one that would cost under $10 to fix.

repechage

I was very happy when I sold mine off.

JB weld or similar might work after derusting.
I view the miss as an indication of the overall interest of the builder to construct the frame.

smile and wave.
yes, difficult to find a bigger Mixtie with decent tubing.

sd5782 

Biancigirl resides in the Midwest I believe. We don’t have the rust problems of you coastal folks. If bikes are stored out of the weather even in unheated spots we very seldom get structural rust problems. Stored indoors, we never really have troubles, so that tube fix probably wouldn’t be much of a concern.

gugie 

Pasadena isn't the coast, it's 30-40 miles inland, and pretty dry.

polymorphself 

There’s a ‘77 MB Grand Touring mixte in Vitus in my area that appears to be tall. Check OfferUp in Phoenix if interested.

bikingshearer 

I would think that gugie's approach would work. Maybe even Bondo in the gap.

Repechage and I have compared notes about our old Bob Jacksons before. I bought one new in 1975 that had been built sometime in the early 1970s. That was the era when a fair number of them came with bunged up bottom bracket threads. On mine, I could screw in the BB with no apparent issues, but the cups loosened a couple hundred miles later during an event ride, giving me an exciting exploded view of my bottom bracket whilst in motion.

The threads here look okay to my eye, and they certainly look like they have retained a bottom bracket in place continuously for lo these many years. I also figure that, like with Mexican-built Benotto 3000s, the passage of the decades will have weeded out all the problem children. And even if those threads are bad, there are easy solutions. The one my shop used was a Phil Wood bottom bracket installed with red Loctite. The red Loctite meant I could never remove it without a torch, the Phil Wood BB meant I would never need to remove it. Worked like a charm, including seeing me through multiple centuries and a double century. The bike rode well until it was stolen out of my garage in 1992. There are other work-arounds if need be (threadless bottom brackets or retapping the hanger to take an Italian-threaded BB are two that leap to mind).

I wouldn't be too worried about it. But then, my opinion is worth exactly what you are paying for it.

Robvolz 

I believe there is a contingency of NW folks headed to Pasadena for the 1st Sunday ride. If the seller can wait, maybe one of them could help facilitate.

I'd offer but I'll be in Sun Valley pouring wine to a bunch of tech gazillionaires. (who don't tip)

Bianchigirll 

You're a lot closer than me!!!

I did call them and the person I talked to said it will probably clean up with a mild abrasive and clear coat. I might be able to get away with a good brush up and some sort of citrus cleaner in driveway on a warm morning but no way I can do a clearcoat.

After looking at the website I suspected it was a consigment frame, and the price has been reduced at least once. But I might submit an offer and see what happens.

Something else popped up and I'm not sure just how I missed it with all the marketplace scanning I've been doing.. I don't like the smaller front wheel but perhaps I can figure something out as you don't see a good condition Terry for under 100 rubles everyday.

roadcrankr

$300 plus $73 shipping does not look risky to me. Even using Bikeflights, finding a lower shipping price seems doubtful.
Personally, I would roll the dice. The seller lists some high-end cycling items and shows a stellar history.
Sharp photos and description there, so it seems dubious to discover a big revelation.
Did the seller list on FB, as well? You mentioned something about that. If so, you could likely haggle the price down.
As a last resort, I live about twenty miles east of Pasadena and could possibly check it out. Other BF peoples live closer.

daverup 

For a Terry, that is an unusually tall seat tube. Good luck

bargainguy

If that's the 24" front wheel variant of the Terry, I'd pass.

While these are wonderful frames with razor-sharp steering from the smaller front wheel, it's just too difficult to source 24" tires these days.

When I first built up a Terry Solstice for the missus, I purchased a couple spare 24" tubes just in case.

If we had to replace the front tire, precious few options to choose from, and none of them cheap.

For that reason, we sold the Terry and are now happy with 700c only frames.

curbtender

Not all Terry's have the 24" front wheel. That one doesn't. They have a mix of quality. My son had a men's road bike that was as nice a ride as any custom builder.
https://georgenaterry.com/tag/24-bicycle-wheels/

gugie 

So, Bob Jackson quality control ~/= Raleigh from the same era?

79pmooney

What I saw and heard of Bob Jacksons of the '70s, early 80s was that there was quite a range of quality. The best were excellent bikes. My brother had a probably late '70s one that was very nice. Sadly, between his size and mine. We could both ride it but really not a keeper. But a gem for someone between us in size.

Boston had quite a few Bob Jacksons around in the '70s when I was living and racing there.

Bianchigirll 

gugie This is interesting but a real mixte.

repechage

I had a conversation with Mr Jackson in later 1974. He was visiting shops on the Westcoast that sold his frames. Might have been concurrent with the Anaheim show.
he confirmed my suspicion that the “lads” cranked the lower half of the bottom bracket shell way too tight in a vise, probably when Hot. They were turning out a lot of product. I was considering a matching pair of Road and track, he wrote a note on his business card and stated he would see to it that they were built with the latest Roto investment cast shells at no additional cost, just note the conversation in the order.

I bought a Harry Quinn and later a pair of Masi instead.

one of our shop clients had a handsome opaque lavender Jackson, the paint on most were above typical standard. Good chrome.