Classic Italian steel lugged bikes/frames made new with STI's
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Classic Italian steel lugged bikes/frames made new with STI's
I was wondering how many italian bikes/frames are still newly made from steel with (chrome) lugs that have sti's.
These are the only three examples i know of today.
https://www.colnago.com/master/
https://www.tommasini.it/eng/steel-frame-tecno.php
https://www.tommasini.it/eng/steel-frame-sintesi.php
https://www.liotto.com/prodotti/dettaglio.php?idProd=42
Looking forward to see the list grow.
These are the only three examples i know of today.
https://www.colnago.com/master/
https://www.tommasini.it/eng/steel-frame-tecno.php
https://www.tommasini.it/eng/steel-frame-sintesi.php
https://www.liotto.com/prodotti/dettaglio.php?idProd=42
Looking forward to see the list grow.
12-16-12, 11:29 AM
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I don't understand your question, there are MANY Italian builders making steel frames which can be set up with ergo/sti. Most of the higher end Italians are sold as frames, not as complete bikes.
12-16-12, 11:40 AM
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Ok re-edit.
What brands are still making today new steel framesets that have chromed lugs
What brands are still making today new steel framesets that have chromed lugs
I was wondering how many italian bikes/frames are still newly made from steel with (chrome) lugs that have sti's.
These are the only three examples i know of today.
https://www.colnago.com/master/
https://www.tommasini.it/eng/steel-frame-tecno.php
https://www.tommasini.it/eng/steel-frame-sintesi.php
https://www.liotto.com/prodotti/dettaglio.php?idProd=42
Looking forward to see the list grow.
These are the only three examples i know of today.
https://www.colnago.com/master/
https://www.tommasini.it/eng/steel-frame-tecno.php
https://www.tommasini.it/eng/steel-frame-sintesi.php
https://www.liotto.com/prodotti/dettaglio.php?idProd=42
Looking forward to see the list grow.
12-16-12, 12:25 PM
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I think you could have most any bike chromed if your willing to wait and shell out the extra farthings
I have not looked at the 2013 offerings but Bianchi has been offering a nice frame with chrome for a few years and I think even a track frame or two.
I have not looked at the 2013 offerings but Bianchi has been offering a nice frame with chrome for a few years and I think even a track frame or two.
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Check with SmartCycles in CT. Their Il Massimo house brand is stunning, was up there recently visiting and stopped by for a look. Ask for Alex.
Remember that anything NEW and handmade wil be pricey- the Cioccs, Torelli's and Massimo's were all in the $3K range.
Remember that anything NEW and handmade wil be pricey- the Cioccs, Torelli's and Massimo's were all in the $3K range.
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Most of the traditional Italian builders are still able to make them...De Rosa, Cinelli, Grandis, etc.
I'm rather fond of my Marnati:
I'm rather fond of my Marnati:
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Most of these, if not all, have a steel offering,
Abici
Basso
Bellesi
Bianchi
Carnielli
Carraro
Carrero
Casati
Cinelli
Ciocc
Colnago
Daccordi
De Bernardi
DeRosa
Elios
Fondriest
Gios
Grandis
Guerciotti
Lombardo
Losa
Masciaghi
Masi
Milani
Moser
Olmo
Pegoretti
Scapin
Somec
Tommasini
Torelli
Viner
Zullo
Abici
Basso
Bellesi
Bianchi
Carnielli
Carraro
Carrero
Casati
Cinelli
Ciocc
Colnago
Daccordi
De Bernardi
DeRosa
Elios
Fondriest
Gios
Grandis
Guerciotti
Lombardo
Losa
Masciaghi
Masi
Milani
Moser
Olmo
Pegoretti
Scapin
Somec
Tommasini
Torelli
Viner
Zullo
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Went thru the whole list and despite that there are indeed some brand that have chrome lugged frames i must admit that the colnago master and tomassini tecno are for me #1 to choose from, but that's i realize very personal.
The paintwork is just outstanding for me that is.
So only now to find one ...
The paintwork is just outstanding for me that is.
So only now to find one ...
12-17-12, 09:08 AM
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Many high end American steel framebuilders have switched from chrome plated mild steel lugs to polished stainless steel. They have the same appearance, but you never have to worry about the plating pitting or peeling. This trend is very evident at NAHBS and other trade shows.
Here's an example of stainless head lugs, fork, and rear triangle from Dave Wages (Ellis Cycles):
Here's an example of stainless head lugs, fork, and rear triangle from Dave Wages (Ellis Cycles):
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12-17-12, 09:50 AM
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I suspect lots of Italian builders have also switched from chrome plating to polished stainless. The environmental regulations both in North America and EU have made chrome plating far less cost effective than it used to be.
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^^^ DIGGING the Wages bike above, and I'd rather go the stainless route as well.
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Not just the high-renters.
The Soma Stanyan uses the polished stainless for it's nice lugs.
However, other than ending in "a," they're not Italian-made.
The Soma Stanyan uses the polished stainless for it's nice lugs.
However, other than ending in "a," they're not Italian-made.
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Unfortunately, a Dave Wages f/f costs $$$$. I had one of his Waterfords, and the guy is definitely in the top tier of American builders. If I was looking for a new custom, he would be on the short list.
To me, chrome is all foo foo. Just get a bike that fits, made by a person with a name, instead of a machine built bike. Honestly, owning bikes with chromed lugs, if I was getting a custom, that would not be in the equation. Stainless, that's another story. My favorite bike has no chrome at all. I like it that way.
To me, chrome is all foo foo. Just get a bike that fits, made by a person with a name, instead of a machine built bike. Honestly, owning bikes with chromed lugs, if I was getting a custom, that would not be in the equation. Stainless, that's another story. My favorite bike has no chrome at all. I like it that way.
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Many high end American steel framebuilders have switched from chrome plated mild steel lugs to polished stainless steel. They have the same appearance, but you never have to worry about the plating pitting or peeling. This trend is very evident at NAHBS and other trade shows.
Here's an example of stainless head lugs, fork, and rear triangle from Dave Wages (Ellis Cycles):
Here's an example of stainless head lugs, fork, and rear triangle from Dave Wages (Ellis Cycles):
04-15-20, 04:52 PM
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Many of the Italian steel bikes are actually made by Cicli Barco. They are particularly good with Columbus XCr stainless steel tube sets. Those are the newest material for frames, being only about 10 years old.
Here is my new custom made Cicli Barco XCr frame and Campy Super Record 12 sp build. It weighs 8 lbs 14 oz. with the pedals. This is a TIG welded bike, but Barco does make an XCr lugged frame using stainless lugs. Whoops, typo, I meant to say 18 lbs 14 oz.
Here is my new custom made Cicli Barco XCr frame and Campy Super Record 12 sp build. It weighs 8 lbs 14 oz. with the pedals. This is a TIG welded bike, but Barco does make an XCr lugged frame using stainless lugs. Whoops, typo, I meant to say 18 lbs 14 oz.
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Many of the Italian steel bikes are actually made by Cicli Barco. They are particularly good with Columbus XCr stainless steel tube sets. Those are the newest material for frames, being only about 10 years old.
Here is my new custom made Cicli Barco XCr frame and Campy Super Record 12 sp build. It weighs 8 lbs 14 oz. with the pedals. This is a TIG welded bike, but Barco does make an XCr lugged frame using stainless lugs.
Here is my new custom made Cicli Barco XCr frame and Campy Super Record 12 sp build. It weighs 8 lbs 14 oz. with the pedals. This is a TIG welded bike, but Barco does make an XCr lugged frame using stainless lugs.
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It was weighed by the guys at Mellow Johnny's in Austin, TX, Lance Armstrong's bike shop, using a Park bike scale. I watched them do it. They built it. It is a real 18 lb. 14 oz. bike. A smaller size of the same frame and fork with most of the same components, but with Campy carbon wheels and a lighter saddle weighed 17.5 lbs. https://www.cyclist.co.uk/reviews/66...rco-xcr-review
You have no idea how thin these tubes are. The paint is almost thicker than the tubes. These are not typical steel tubes, they are Columbus XCr, triple butted with super high tech metallurgy. They should be, the raw tube set costs almost $900. This isn't sewer pipe. The Columbus XCr fork has a carbon fiber steering tube to save weight specially designed by Barco.
Also, the group is Campy Super Record 12 sp. The carbon stuff is WR Compositi, very light stuff made in Italy by the folks who make some parts for Ferrari and Lamborghini. The saddle has carbon rails. The rims are HED Belgium Plus with White Industries T11 hubs and Sapim CX Ray spokes. The tires are tubeless Vittoria Corsa Control. The brakes are direct mount. The pedals are Look Keo Blade Ti with ceramic bearings and weigh 95 grams each. Most of these components did not even exist a few years ago. This is a very, very high tech bike. It weighs what it weighs, 18 lbs 14 oz. With lighter wheels and saddle, it would be closer to 18 lbs.
You have no idea how thin these tubes are. The paint is almost thicker than the tubes. These are not typical steel tubes, they are Columbus XCr, triple butted with super high tech metallurgy. They should be, the raw tube set costs almost $900. This isn't sewer pipe. The Columbus XCr fork has a carbon fiber steering tube to save weight specially designed by Barco.
Also, the group is Campy Super Record 12 sp. The carbon stuff is WR Compositi, very light stuff made in Italy by the folks who make some parts for Ferrari and Lamborghini. The saddle has carbon rails. The rims are HED Belgium Plus with White Industries T11 hubs and Sapim CX Ray spokes. The tires are tubeless Vittoria Corsa Control. The brakes are direct mount. The pedals are Look Keo Blade Ti with ceramic bearings and weigh 95 grams each. Most of these components did not even exist a few years ago. This is a very, very high tech bike. It weighs what it weighs, 18 lbs 14 oz. With lighter wheels and saddle, it would be closer to 18 lbs.
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It was weighed by the guys at Mellow Johnny's in Austin, TX, Lance Armstrong's bike shop, using a Park bike scale. I watched them do it. They built it. It is a real 18 lb. 14 oz. bike. A smaller size of the same frame and fork with most of the same components, but with Campy carbon wheels and a lighter saddle weighed 17.5 lbs. https://www.cyclist.co.uk/reviews/66...rco-xcr-review
You have no idea how thin these tubes are. The paint is almost thicker than the tubes. These are not typical steel tubes, they are Columbus XCr, triple butted with super high tech metallurgy. They should be, the raw tube set costs almost $900. This isn't sewer pipe. The Columbus XCr fork has a carbon fiber steering tube to save weight specially designed by Barco.
Also, the group is Campy Super Record 12 sp. The carbon stuff is WR Compositi, very light stuff made in Italy by the folks who make some parts for Ferrari and Lamborghini. The saddle has carbon rails. The rims are HED Belgium Plus with White Industries T11 hubs and Sapim CX Ray spokes. The tires are tubeless Vittoria Corsa Control. The brakes are direct mount. The pedals are Look Keo Blade Ti with ceramic bearings and weigh 95 grams each. Most of these components did not even exist a few years ago. This is a very, very high tech bike. It weighs what it weighs, 18 lbs 14 oz. With lighter wheels and saddle, it would be closer to 18 lbs.
You have no idea how thin these tubes are. The paint is almost thicker than the tubes. These are not typical steel tubes, they are Columbus XCr, triple butted with super high tech metallurgy. They should be, the raw tube set costs almost $900. This isn't sewer pipe. The Columbus XCr fork has a carbon fiber steering tube to save weight specially designed by Barco.
Also, the group is Campy Super Record 12 sp. The carbon stuff is WR Compositi, very light stuff made in Italy by the folks who make some parts for Ferrari and Lamborghini. The saddle has carbon rails. The rims are HED Belgium Plus with White Industries T11 hubs and Sapim CX Ray spokes. The tires are tubeless Vittoria Corsa Control. The brakes are direct mount. The pedals are Look Keo Blade Ti with ceramic bearings and weigh 95 grams each. Most of these components did not even exist a few years ago. This is a very, very high tech bike. It weighs what it weighs, 18 lbs 14 oz. With lighter wheels and saddle, it would be closer to 18 lbs.
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JohnK3, nice bike
but the OP was asking for *lugged* frames that can accept STI. Cicli Barco do make lugged frames, and they look nice. ciclibarco | Non ti servono le ali, spingi forte sui pedali.
I admit that my inner Beavis snickered a bit when I saw their link for PORNO DETAILS
JohnK3, nice bike
but the OP was asking for *lugged* frames that can accept STI. Cicli Barco do make lugged frames, and they look nice. ciclibarco | Non ti servono le ali, spingi forte sui pedali.I admit that my inner Beavis snickered a bit when I saw their link for PORNO DETAILS
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