Update on "5 cyclists killed in Kalamazoo"
#276
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In my opinion, the sentence should have been life in prison without the possibility of parole. The fact that the sentences are served concurrently doesn't seem right. I seems like the killings after the first one are of lesser importance. If it were a like sentence, then it wouldn't matter.
#277
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Yeah, seems like even the possibility of release is too lenient. I'm not a lawyer, but I do know that sometimes legal choices are made on the basis of technicalities. Perhaps serving concurrently lessens the risk of sentencing being overturned on appeal.
As a practical matter it probably doesn't matter. Looks like he's packed on weight while in jail, not sure he'll live to age 90.
As a practical matter it probably doesn't matter. Looks like he's packed on weight while in jail, not sure he'll live to age 90.
#278
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In my opinion, the sentence should have been life in prison without the possibility of parole. The fact that the sentences are served concurrently doesn't seem right. I seems like the killings after the first one are of lesser importance. If it were a like sentence, then it wouldn't matter.
- death #1 = 8 to 15 years (operating while intoxicated)
- death #2 = 8 to 15 years (operating while intoxicated)
- death #3 = 8 to 15 years (operating while intoxicated)
- death #4 = 8 to 15 years (operating while intoxicated)
- death #5 = 8 to 15 years (operating while intoxicated)
Gives a total sentence of 40 to 75 years for the operating while intoxicated causing death charges.
In addition to the operating while intoxicated charges, he was also sentenced to five counts of second degree second degree murder. The total sentence for these five murder charges is 35 to 55 years. This sentence is concurrent with the 40 to 75 years above.
In addition to the charges listed above, Pickett was also sentenced for four counts of operating while intoxicated resulting in serious injury. Each of these counts is 3 to 5 years and these sentences are concurrent with the 40 to 75 and 35 to 55 from above.
For a man his age, the normal life expectancy is another 30 years - so chances are greater than not that he will die in prison.
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#279
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Technically speaking sentence for each of the five deaths are not concurrent:
- death #1 = 8 to 15 years (operating while intoxicated)
- death #2 = 8 to 15 years (operating while intoxicated)
- death #3 = 8 to 15 years (operating while intoxicated)
- death #4 = 8 to 15 years (operating while intoxicated)
- death #5 = 8 to 15 years (operating while intoxicated)
Gives a total sentence of 40 to 75 years for the operating while intoxicated causing death charges.
In addition to the operating while intoxicated charges, he was also sentenced to five counts of second degree second degree murder. The total sentence for these five murder charges is 35 to 55 years. This sentence is concurrent with the 40 to 75 years above.
In addition to the charges listed above, Pickett was also sentenced for four counts of operating while intoxicated resulting in serious injury. Each of these counts is 3 to 5 years and these sentences are concurrent with the 40 to 75 and 35 to 55 from above.
For a man his age, the normal life expectancy is another 30 years - so chances are greater than not that he will die in prison.
- death #1 = 8 to 15 years (operating while intoxicated)
- death #2 = 8 to 15 years (operating while intoxicated)
- death #3 = 8 to 15 years (operating while intoxicated)
- death #4 = 8 to 15 years (operating while intoxicated)
- death #5 = 8 to 15 years (operating while intoxicated)
Gives a total sentence of 40 to 75 years for the operating while intoxicated causing death charges.
In addition to the operating while intoxicated charges, he was also sentenced to five counts of second degree second degree murder. The total sentence for these five murder charges is 35 to 55 years. This sentence is concurrent with the 40 to 75 years above.
In addition to the charges listed above, Pickett was also sentenced for four counts of operating while intoxicated resulting in serious injury. Each of these counts is 3 to 5 years and these sentences are concurrent with the 40 to 75 and 35 to 55 from above.
For a man his age, the normal life expectancy is another 30 years - so chances are greater than not that he will die in prison.
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Technically speaking sentence for each of the five deaths are not concurrent:
- death #1 = 8 to 15 years (operating while intoxicated)
- death #2 = 8 to 15 years (operating while intoxicated)
- death #3 = 8 to 15 years (operating while intoxicated)
- death #4 = 8 to 15 years (operating while intoxicated)
- death #5 = 8 to 15 years (operating while intoxicated)
Gives a total sentence of 40 to 75 years for the operating while intoxicated causing death charges.
In addition to the operating while intoxicated charges, he was also sentenced to five counts of second degree second degree murder. The total sentence for these five murder charges is 35 to 55 years. This sentence is concurrent with the 40 to 75 years above.
In addition to the charges listed above, Pickett was also sentenced for four counts of operating while intoxicated resulting in serious injury. Each of these counts is 3 to 5 years and these sentences are concurrent with the 40 to 75 and 35 to 55 from above.
For a man his age, the normal life expectancy is another 30 years - so chances are greater than not that he will die in prison.
- death #1 = 8 to 15 years (operating while intoxicated)
- death #2 = 8 to 15 years (operating while intoxicated)
- death #3 = 8 to 15 years (operating while intoxicated)
- death #4 = 8 to 15 years (operating while intoxicated)
- death #5 = 8 to 15 years (operating while intoxicated)
Gives a total sentence of 40 to 75 years for the operating while intoxicated causing death charges.
In addition to the operating while intoxicated charges, he was also sentenced to five counts of second degree second degree murder. The total sentence for these five murder charges is 35 to 55 years. This sentence is concurrent with the 40 to 75 years above.
In addition to the charges listed above, Pickett was also sentenced for four counts of operating while intoxicated resulting in serious injury. Each of these counts is 3 to 5 years and these sentences are concurrent with the 40 to 75 and 35 to 55 from above.
For a man his age, the normal life expectancy is another 30 years - so chances are greater than not that he will die in prison.
#281
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This article made it a bit more clear than the first one I read. It seems like his five convictions for murder 2 are served concurrently and are presumably 35-55 years each. The charges for operating under the influence are 8-15 years each and are to be served consecutively so this makes the 40-75 year sentence.
The article also quoted, "the judge called his actions 'too violent and horrifying ' to stick with the sentencing guidelines"
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@cb400bill: That is a beautiful memorial. To me, the circle symbolizes the continuity of life and how we are all connected.
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Michigan Supreme Court won't hear appeal from Charles Pickett, who killed 5 bicyclists
https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/...ts/5354963002/
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Michigan Supreme Court won't hear appeal from Charles Pickett, who killed 5 bicyclists
https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/...ts/5354963002/
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His earliest release date is 2056? Does that mean all the people he killed get returned to society too?
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A person like that should be executed, why should taxpayers have to pay for his room and board till he's 90? A lot of these types of people should just be put to death, it won't bring the dead back, but like I said, at least we're not spending our taxes on keeping some low life alive to serve no more purpose in life.
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A person like that should be executed, why should taxpayers have to pay for his room and board till he's 90? A lot of these types of people should just be put to death, it won't bring the dead back, but like I said, at least we're not spending our taxes on keeping some low life alive to serve no more purpose in life.
Largest prison population on the earth.
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A person like that should be executed, why should taxpayers have to pay for his room and board till he's 90? A lot of these types of people should just be put to death, it won't bring the dead back, but like I said, at least we're not spending our taxes on keeping some low life alive to serve no more purpose in life.
How we went down the path is hard to say, but we have had a number of death row cases that have been overturned over the last couple of decades. New DNA evidence?
In the past, hangings were far too rapidly administered. And, vigilante lynchings were much worse.
In the modern era, generally capital crimes require some element of premeditation, or killing of law enforcement officers. I doubt Picket's case would have ever been elevated that far. As it is, his sentence is mighty long for a traffic accident.
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This was murder, not a high grade, but murder.
Intoxication does not free one from responsibility. It is active negligence and an equivalent of intent.
The concept of killing in the context of other crime, as in felony murder is well established.
Intoxication does not free one from responsibility. It is active negligence and an equivalent of intent.
The concept of killing in the context of other crime, as in felony murder is well established.
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I posted the link to the Michigan Supreme Court report as it is relevant to entire story. We don't need to retry the case or argue about the sentence anymore.
Thread closed.
Thread closed.
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