531Aussie

ooh ooh, my big chance. Here's an old post of mine from another thread:



I'm not that familiar with the U.S. custom builders, so I don't think there's any here

The Basso Viper is steel, but I’m not sure of the quality:
https://www.bassobikes.com/en/product...htype=&SESSID=

Bianchi steel: USA only?
https://www.bianchiusa.com/06_imola.html

The Cinelli Supercorsa is steel:
https://www.cinelli.it/scripts/prodot...=EN&IdBici=319

The Carrera Sheild is steel:
https://www.carrera-podium.it/eng/cat...dwb/index.html

Casati Lasar
https://www.ciclicasati.it/EN/modelli_acciaio.htm

The Ciocc De Luxe is steel with a carbon rear
https://www.ciocc.it/ciocc-eng/catalo...carbon-eng.htm

The Colnago Master B-Stay is steel with a carbon rear
https://www.colnagonews.com/2006/bike/index.html

The Coppi Genius and Neuron:
https://www.bullteksports.com/miva/me...ory_Code=Coppi

The De Rosa Corum and Neo Primato:
https://www.derosanews.com/derosa/mod...howbike&bid=13
https://www.derosanews.com/derosa/mod...howbike&bid=14

The Daccordi Fibra4Steel and Profidea are both steel:
https://www.daccordi-cicli.com/daccordi_eg/prodotti.htm

The Fondriest Status is steel
https://www.fondriestbici.com/pubblic...us_veloce.html

The Gios Compact Pro is steel
https://www.gios.it/2005/eng/prima.php?page=pro-frame


LeMond has a few steels
https://www.lemondbikes.com/2006_bikes/classics.shtml


The Olmo Mecury is steel:
https://www.olmo.it/newsite/home.php?lang=lng_2

The Orbea Spirit and Spirit Carbon are both steel
https://www.orbea-usa.com/fly.aspx?mI...duct&taxId=463

https://www.pegoretticicli.com/

Omega Nucleus
https://www.omegacycleworks.com/nucleus.htm

The Pinarello Opera is steel with a carbon rear

The Salsa La Raza
https://www.salsacycles.com/frames_06LaRaza.html

Serotta have a few steels
https://www.serotta.com/pages/cda.html

Most Scapin frames are steel:
https://www.scapin.com/

The Specialized Allez Cro-Mo
https://www.specialized.com/bc/SBCBkM...0085&spid=9360

Tommasini make a few steels:
https://www.tommasini.com/eng/prodotti.html

Torelli, Guerciotti, Mondonico
https://www.torelli.com/torelli/torelli.html

The Viner Sidus
https://www.viner.it/english/c_sidus.htm


I bought meself one of these 18 months ago, and it's great


2004 cervelo superprodigy


In case i've missed any, here's a list of just about every bike company
https://www.mikebentley.com/bike/bikemfg.htm

Wurm

One of the best riding frames I've been on in a long time (and a very good deal too) are the '02 & '03 Raleigh Professional and International. They were OEM with Campy Chorus and Centaur respectively, and quite a bargain. All Columbus Zona tubing, classic Italian geometry, and not boat anchors either.

This one of mine (Professional) is 56cm. size, weighing somewhere under 19 lbs. at present, including Brooks Pro saddle! I found the frame and built it with what I wanted.

Also, you'd be crazy not to check out the Orbea Spirit & Spirit Carbon at $999. and $1399. respectively. If you know the geometry you want, Orbea charges only $100. more for custom.

ginger green

Does orbea make steel frames?

markwebb

The Viner is looking like the best value and best bike. Lugged steel.

The Orbea is well over $2K, as are most of the other high-quality frames folks have suggested. No insane deals here at my LBS shops selling Lemonds.

The Curtlo looked interesting but I like lugged steel better. The Salsa LaRaza is built in Taiwan or somewhere and I can not locaate any of them for sale.

For the money the Viner looks like the best choice for a high-quality steel frame with excellent components.

froze

Take a gander at Gios as well for $2000 with a Gios chrome fork and Campy Centaur group: https://www.excelsports.com/new.asp?p...ajor=1&minor=1

Triguy

I really like the look of the Soma Smoothie, it comes in at about $400 and is Reynolds 853. Geometry is a little off for me, but definately workable.

Triguy

By the way, if you become serious about wanting a Super Prodigy(and I mean cash in hand serious) I can probably direct you to one for a fairly good price.

shimanopower

Are those the wheels you've been bragging about? Jeez, they look horrible! I could build better wheels! Could you fit another spoke in there? I can't even see through your wheel. It's almost a disc wheel. You like those better then eastons? how much did you pay? Whatever it is... I think he might of swindled you.

Grasschopper

emilram

sorry if I sound dumb, but why is it still so important to ride steel frames with all the available materials like TI ,carbon, scandium,Alum. that reduce weight and make life much easier when youre pedaling uphill.Even in the flat you still have that extra weight that you have to push.Why?

Grasschopper

Ride comfort over AL, cost over Ti, C and Sc. Plus the small dia tubes just look sweet.

In addition to that with current steel alloys you can get a pretty light steel frame. My Salsa as pictured weighs like 21 lbs and there are not light components on the thing. Bike could easily be built up to be 118 or 19 lbs and it isn't even a very light steel frame.

d2create

In the long run, steel is a lot more durable too. Especially lugged frames. Ti, Alum, Carbon... if a tube cracks, you're screwed. If steel cracks, it will take a much longer time for that crack to grow so you will notice it way before it gets dangerous. And with a lugged frame that one cracked tube can be replaced rather than replacing the whole frame. And any weight difference you find between the different materials these days may seem like a lot when you are looking at just the frames. But once you add all the components, the weight difference is nominal and you won't even notice while riding. Well, the normal person anyway. A pro racer will benefit from small weight differences.
I wouldn't want to own anything other than a steel bike. My commuter is aluminum and will be replaced by steel shortly.

CPW

I don't think Jamis makes an all steel/Ultegra bike do they?
I love my Jamis Quest which is all steel but 105, not Ultegra.
Smooooth.
CPW

allgoo19

I saw some fat tube steel bicycles in this thread. Does it give the same benefit that fat aluminium tube do, stifness? I think the part of the attraction of the steel bicycle is its sknny looking tubes.

Jakey

Torelli

markwebb

I rode an aluminum Lemond new '05 last year (yes the LBS got an '05 in July). It beat me up on long rides. My shoulders and arms/hands took a beating and my obliques always ached. I changed to an older steel Lemond this year and it made a Huge difference. No comparison. I can ride all day and if I warm up correctly I have virtually no aches.

Carbon would be nice but I am kinda hard on bikes and you can't easily repair it. Ti I heard is worse than aluminum for ride.

So - for a new bike I am looking at a nice steel frame. Lugged is cool because it's kinda retro. The Viner looks like the best of everything and it will be under $1,500 with full Ultegra. I am going to get a triple and also see if I can change wheels out to Mavic Open Pro with Ultega hubs.

tblendell

i have a RITCHEY breakaway. you can find good deals on the 2004's if you look around. i bought the frame on ebay and built it up.

fishmel

I own a Jamis Eclipse, 853 steel and Carbon Fork, full Ultegra. Ride seems very nice to me, but I have very limited expertise.

linux_author

- too bad for burley though...

- their 'dealer locator' feature caused a Web server barf when i tried to find a dealer... (bad CGI?)

- oh well!

markwebb

Thanks, but the Gios frame is $795 without a fork. With a fork and Ultegra gruoppo I would be well over $2K

markwebb

Anyone know where I can find one in a 56-58 size and purchase on line? The problem with a lot of your suggestions - and they are great suggestions - is most of the suggested bikes are not available on-line. The LBS around here (Louisville KY) don't carry anything except Trek, Lemond, Specialized, Fuji, etc. I would travel to Nashville, Indy, or Cincy if I could find the right bike in my size. Right bike is:

* Steel
* Ultegra
* Under $2,000 complete

That's why the Viner is looking like the right bike - should be around $1,500 when I add triple and upgrade wheels to Mavic Open Pro with Ultegra hubs.

So - if you wanna have some fun - figure out how I can get a steel Ultegra complete bike delivered to me (or picked up close to me) for under $2K.

emilram

I dont know,a light steel frame isnt cheap...
Dura Ace isnt cheap ...
even if you went all out and got a relyable carbon fork+ crank arms and seat post
you would still carry around a whole extra pound up that hill.
Instead of pumping just 85 psi in your michelins on your cannondale ?

recneps345

I would try getting an older 03 or 04 steel Lemond. I love mine. It is also a frame that is worthy of upgrades. As far as looks, I love those cinelli's. Dont know much about them though.

Wurm

Sorry markwebb but that's incorrect. The Orbea Spirit frame is $999. MSRP, and the Orbea Spirit Carbon frame (with Columbus Muscle CF seat stays) is $1399. MSRP, as I said earlier.

Orbea is the largest user of Columbus bike tubing in the world, and they are the only ones that can do the heat-treatment to their aluminum tubes just as Columbus does.

Wurm

Yes they do - just as I indicated earlier.