Swapping Italian carbon for new Italian steel! Help!!
10-30-19, 07:57 PM
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cinelli supercorsa in pearl white or pegoretti...
10-31-19, 09:53 AM
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Excel Boulder in Colorado used to sell Bottecchia frames and built-up bikes in the mid 1990s ... along with Gios and others. And we're talking in the $500 range for frame and fork. I guess those days are gone? 
I found the Gios Torino YouTube site and Italian homepage ... they still sell some classics, but it's all in Italian ... I'll have to try sending them a translated email. I saw the Gios brand all over lower-range bikes in Tokyo.
I found the Gios Torino YouTube site and Italian homepage ... they still sell some classics, but it's all in Italian ... I'll have to try sending them a translated email. I saw the Gios brand all over lower-range bikes in Tokyo.
11-04-19, 04:40 PM
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I hit this thread searching for information on Maurizio Barco frames ... I think he was making (or may still be making)IL Massimo Lugati Leggero frames, which look beautiful. I think he builds a lot of frames for different brands.
I was looking at Italian lugged frames ... not oversized (SL tubing), external brake cabling (hate the rattle!), stage tour geometry for comfort, threaded headset.
I was looking at Italian lugged frames ... not oversized (SL tubing), external brake cabling (hate the rattle!), stage tour geometry for comfort, threaded headset.
Contact them at info@ciclibarco.it
11-04-19, 09:14 PM
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Thanks for the research with Barco.
There English website: ciclibarco | Non ti servono le ali, spingi forte sui pedali.
Also look for them on Instragram.
Barco has their own Carbon Fork. Looks pretty nice. Below is their Xcr stainless, no lug version with their in-house carbon fork. Look familiar...
And it's rumored they sub-contract build the Cinelli Xcr stainless.
There English website: ciclibarco | Non ti servono le ali, spingi forte sui pedali.
Also look for them on Instragram.
Barco has their own Carbon Fork. Looks pretty nice. Below is their Xcr stainless, no lug version with their in-house carbon fork. Look familiar...
And it's rumored they sub-contract build the Cinelli Xcr stainless.
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11-04-19, 09:24 PM
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Thanks for the research with Barco.
There English website: ciclibarco | Non ti servono le ali, spingi forte sui pedali.
Also look for them on Instragram.
Barco has their own carbon Fork. Looks pretty nice. Below is their stainless, no lug version with their in-house carbon fork. Look familiar...
And it's rumored they sub-contract build the Cinelli Xcr stainless.
There English website: ciclibarco | Non ti servono le ali, spingi forte sui pedali.
Also look for them on Instragram.
Barco has their own carbon Fork. Looks pretty nice. Below is their stainless, no lug version with their in-house carbon fork. Look familiar...
And it's rumored they sub-contract build the Cinelli Xcr stainless.
They also post a lot of photos on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/cicli.barco/
I kinda asked if they do the building for il massimo and they kinda "winked" ... this one is a beautiful frame:
IL Massimo Lugati Leggero Steel Lugged Italian Bicycle!
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11-04-19, 09:32 PM
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2018 Pegoretti in Xcr no lug stainless with their in-house Falz carbon fork. One of the planets amazing road bikes.
The Barco Xcr no lug stainless is a pleasant surprise.
The Barco Xcr no lug stainless is a pleasant surprise.
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11-05-19, 03:14 PM
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11-05-19, 04:49 PM
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Pelizzoli sold the Ciocc brand and went on to continue building
ROAD ? Cicli Pelizzoli
ROAD ? Cicli Pelizzoli
11-06-19, 08:40 AM
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These frames are truly amazing. Were I in the market for a new steel frame, it would be hard to ignore. Pelizzoli frames are, IMO, superior to the "big" names of Italian cycling: Colnago, DeRosa, Cinelli, Bianchi -none of which are made by the original artisans. Pelizzoli bikes are easily comparable to the best US custom builders (Richard Sachs, Sasha White, Chris Bishop, Bruce Gordon etc etc) at a fraction of the price. Custom for the price of stock.
Bonus: great reason to go to Italy!
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11-06-19, 12:16 PM
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Here are a bunch of other reasons ... 
... https://www.flickr.com/photos/zbillster/albums
... https://www.flickr.com/photos/zbillster/albums
11-06-19, 12:34 PM
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Love that video.
These frames are truly amazing. Were I in the market for a new steel frame, it would be hard to ignore. Pelizzoli frames are, IMO, superior to the "big" names of Italian cycling: Colnago, DeRosa, Cinelli, Bianchi -none of which are made by the original artisans. Pelizzoli bikes are easily comparable to the best US custom builders (Richard Sachs, Sasha White, Chris Bishop, Bruce Gordon etc etc) at a fraction of the price. Custom for the price of stock.
These frames are truly amazing. Were I in the market for a new steel frame, it would be hard to ignore. Pelizzoli frames are, IMO, superior to the "big" names of Italian cycling: Colnago, DeRosa, Cinelli, Bianchi -none of which are made by the original artisans. Pelizzoli bikes are easily comparable to the best US custom builders (Richard Sachs, Sasha White, Chris Bishop, Bruce Gordon etc etc) at a fraction of the price. Custom for the price of stock.
The guy had trouble selling it too and ended up stripping the frame to sell separately. It had some patina but ...
11-06-19, 01:50 PM
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Here are a bunch of other reasons ... ... https://www.flickr.com/photos/zbillster/albums
... https://www.flickr.com/photos/zbillster/albumsAnyways, thanks for posting your flickr account because what I did find interesting was the Palo Alto catalogs. Pretty cool that they mention partnering with Ritchey since Ive read before that he was the one building PA frames for catalog sales. One of the pics is even a fillet brazed frame.
Old catalogs are aweome to troll thru.
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11-06-19, 04:07 PM
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Here are a bunch of other reasons ... ... https://www.flickr.com/photos/zbillster/albums
... https://www.flickr.com/photos/zbillster/albumsThat weird "stretch-limo"!
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11-06-19, 04:42 PM
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The Vespa museum is FREE and really nice. The Alfa Romeo museum really knocked me out too. And meeting Ernesto at the Colnago factory was an unexpected surprise.
Riding a Vespa from town to town in Tuscany was pretty nice too ... the drive to Museo Ferrari was incredible. The traffic tickets I received when I got back to the USA? Not so much.
Now I want to go meet Pelizzoli ...
Here's another short video of the master at work ...
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02-04-20, 10:45 AM
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Hi everyone! This is my first post so be gentle!
I thought I’d register on the forum, as my plan to start building a new steel bike will provide lots of opportunities to ask for advice and then pass it on in the future!
I’m trying to sell my 54cm De Rosa SK Pininfarina Ultegra to fund a new project that I feel resonates more with who I am as a cyclist. A new modern-retro steel beauty.
I’m currently weighing up and researching bikes like the Colnago Master & Arabesque, Cinelli Supercorsa, Wilier Superleggera and maybe a De Rosa Nuovo Classico. All the new frame sets. Having trouble deciding between these frames and wondering if anyone could help decide between them. I know for example that some of them differ with threadless forks etc which will mean quill stems will be possible on some and not others (I prefer quill) and other similar characteristics which set them apart.
It does have to be Italian I’m afraid, not because I am uninitiated and trendy, but because they really get me going and I have a real passion for Italian culture and craftsmanship.
If someone can help me pick one of these frames to build, I will be so so very grateful! Also, if anyone has one of these frames, I’d be interested to hear how they fit compared to a road bike like the one I have now.
Thanks!!
Lewis
PS- please tell me if this is the correct forum area for this post!! I was gonna post it in Classic/Vintage but it’s a new bike so...
I thought I’d register on the forum, as my plan to start building a new steel bike will provide lots of opportunities to ask for advice and then pass it on in the future!
I’m trying to sell my 54cm De Rosa SK Pininfarina Ultegra to fund a new project that I feel resonates more with who I am as a cyclist. A new modern-retro steel beauty.
I’m currently weighing up and researching bikes like the Colnago Master & Arabesque, Cinelli Supercorsa, Wilier Superleggera and maybe a De Rosa Nuovo Classico. All the new frame sets. Having trouble deciding between these frames and wondering if anyone could help decide between them. I know for example that some of them differ with threadless forks etc which will mean quill stems will be possible on some and not others (I prefer quill) and other similar characteristics which set them apart.
It does have to be Italian I’m afraid, not because I am uninitiated and trendy, but because they really get me going and I have a real passion for Italian culture and craftsmanship.
If someone can help me pick one of these frames to build, I will be so so very grateful! Also, if anyone has one of these frames, I’d be interested to hear how they fit compared to a road bike like the one I have now.
Thanks!!
Lewis
PS- please tell me if this is the correct forum area for this post!! I was gonna post it in Classic/Vintage but it’s a new bike so...
02-18-20, 12:28 PM
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Check out my Cinelli SC. I built it from the bare frameset using modern Campagnolo 11 speed with Diacompe DT shifters for that retro look and feel. It's a real showstopper and conversation starter wherever I go.
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02-18-20, 01:00 PM
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I decided to mix very modern with very retro. Campy Super Record groupset. H plus Son rims on White Industries T11 hubs. Vittoria Corsa Control tires. Old Campy seatpost. New Cinelli quill stem. Brooks Swift with titanium rails.
02-21-20, 10:09 AM
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Very nice definitely a looker with the track front hubs.
I decided to mix very modern with very retro. Campy Super Record groupset. H plus Son rims on White Industries T11 hubs. Vittoria Corsa Control tires. Old Campy seatpost. New Cinelli quill stem. Brooks Swift with titanium rails.
I decided to mix very modern with very retro. Campy Super Record groupset. H plus Son rims on White Industries T11 hubs. Vittoria Corsa Control tires. Old Campy seatpost. New Cinelli quill stem. Brooks Swift with titanium rails.
02-27-20, 06:12 AM
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Italian Steel you say? I'm with you. Fun ride it is.
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02-27-20, 08:40 AM
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02-27-20, 10:10 AM
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My newest Italian steel studly ride is being finished as I write. Cicli Barco has been incredibly helpful and cooperative during the entire process. And, for what you get, their prices are incredible. By that, I mean that for significantly less than the big name steel frames, you can get one that is custom built, custom painted and with every little extra that other bikes do not have. Check out their photos on Facebook or Instagram. And note that the steel frame you buy with someone's name on it is most likely actually made by Barco. They make steel frames for 20 bike companies. But for the their own bikes, with the Barco name, you get the very best craftsmanship. At the 2019 Bespoked the UK Handmade Bicycle Show, Barco won several awards including "Best of Italy."
My new bike will be Columbus XCr stainless with a Barco Viva stainless fork that has a carbon fiber shaft to reduce weight. It will have custom geometry, custom paint, direct mount brakes, internal cable routing, a metal engraved plate with my name, a dark nickel headbadge, brushed stainless finish, Barco's really cool dropouts, and a lot of other stuff, and shipped to me in Texas for $1,000 less than the Cinelli XCr frame. A Barco XCr frame with the Viva fork was recently given rave reviews by the English Cyclist magazine (Google Barco XCr review).
My new bike will be Columbus XCr stainless with a Barco Viva stainless fork that has a carbon fiber shaft to reduce weight. It will have custom geometry, custom paint, direct mount brakes, internal cable routing, a metal engraved plate with my name, a dark nickel headbadge, brushed stainless finish, Barco's really cool dropouts, and a lot of other stuff, and shipped to me in Texas for $1,000 less than the Cinelli XCr frame. A Barco XCr frame with the Viva fork was recently given rave reviews by the English Cyclist magazine (Google Barco XCr review).
02-27-20, 02:24 PM
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