How to get the cadence to match on our e tandem?
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How to get the cadence to match on our e tandem?
With a mid drive in front the front can freewheel so the cranks are not locked together. The chainring in front is 15t but it is a 2.5 to 1 gearing so its 37.5t and the back is 40t. But I have a wireless cadence sensor on the back and front and the back is about 8 to 9 rpms faster then the front. I guess its s the crank arms? Since the back has approx. 175 mm cranks and the front about 172 (just using a tape measure.
Would like to get my cadence unto 90 but my wife cant handle more then about 90 so right now we cant do it. What’s the best way to get them closer to the same?
Would like to get my cadence unto 90 but my wife cant handle more then about 90 so right now we cant do it. What’s the best way to get them closer to the same?
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No experience with mid drive e-tandems, but... crank arms don’t change cadence. They change the perception of cadence because longer cranks make a larger circle, requiring more foot speed to go around the circle at the same cadence. Whereas shorter cranks make a smaller circle, requiring less foot speed to go around that circle at the same cadence. BUT, the cadence itself is the same regardless of crank length.
The difference in front vs rear cadence is due to your gearing. If you want to rev higher than her, you need a smaller gear. If you’re on 15t, can you get a 14t? Or, put a larger ring on the back, take the rear to a 42, 44, 46? One tooth on the front is a bigger percentage change than one tooth on the back, so to make an equivalent change you need to get several teeth larger at the rear.
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Thinking further — at what cadence is the 8 to 9 rpm difference? If it’s at 80 to 90 rpm, then it’s around 10% different. If you make the rear ring 10% bigger, which would be a 44t, then all you would do is get the cadence equal between you. If you want to make your cadence higher than hers, then you need to go MORE than that. What is her ideal cadence, and how far below your ideal cadence is it? If she wants to be 10% below you, and right now she’s 10% above you, then we want a 20% move overall. So in that case get a 48t ring for the back. You will also need a longer timing chain.
The difference in front vs rear cadence is due to your gearing. If you want to rev higher than her, you need a smaller gear. If you’re on 15t, can you get a 14t? Or, put a larger ring on the back, take the rear to a 42, 44, 46? One tooth on the front is a bigger percentage change than one tooth on the back, so to make an equivalent change you need to get several teeth larger at the rear.
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Thinking further — at what cadence is the 8 to 9 rpm difference? If it’s at 80 to 90 rpm, then it’s around 10% different. If you make the rear ring 10% bigger, which would be a 44t, then all you would do is get the cadence equal between you. If you want to make your cadence higher than hers, then you need to go MORE than that. What is her ideal cadence, and how far below your ideal cadence is it? If she wants to be 10% below you, and right now she’s 10% above you, then we want a 20% move overall. So in that case get a 48t ring for the back. You will also need a longer timing chain.
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No experience with mid drive e-tandems, but... crank arms don’t change cadence. They change the perception of cadence because longer cranks make a larger circle, requiring more foot speed to go around the circle at the same cadence. Whereas shorter cranks make a smaller circle, requiring less foot speed to go around that circle at the same cadence. BUT, the cadence itself is the same regardless of crank length.
The difference in front vs rear cadence is due to your gearing. If you want to rev higher than her, you need a smaller gear. If you’re on 15t, can you get a 14t? Or, put a larger ring on the back, take the rear to a 42, 44, 46? One tooth on the front is a bigger percentage change than one tooth on the back, so to make an equivalent change you need to get several teeth larger at the rear.
The difference in front vs rear cadence is due to your gearing. If you want to rev higher than her, you need a smaller gear. If you’re on 15t, can you get a 14t? Or, put a larger ring on the back, take the rear to a 42, 44, 46? One tooth on the front is a bigger percentage change than one tooth on the back, so to make an equivalent change you need to get several teeth larger at the rear.
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she seems Fien at 80 to 80 but anything above 90 gets a bit sloppy. or I found if I turn the assist level down its better. so yes when she is at 90 I am at 80 or 82 it jumps around bit but that's pretty close. I would like to at least get to 86 90 would be better. but going to 44 will take off some of the top end though right?
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Changing the rear timing ring changes your cadence (and your e-motor’s cadence) relative to hers. You and the motor will have to spin faster for the same mph speed of the bike. If your top end is coming mostly from the motor, then yes it will reduce that. But you could change the 36t to something bigger to get that back.
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Changing the rear timing ring changes your cadence (and your e-motor’s cadence) relative to hers. You and the motor will have to spin faster for the same mph speed of the bike. If your top end is coming mostly from the motor, then yes it will reduce that. But you could change the 36t to something bigger to get that back.