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Old 11-25-18, 08:54 PM
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Anyone run the cheap superteam trispoke front wheel? Thinking of it on a road TT setup. Maybe swapped over to fixed for pursuit.
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I just saw someone post about these "smart" rollers on a FB racing page. The InsideRide rollers. Anyone tried them? I have the Elite Arion Digital Smart B+ rollers, which have proved to be THE most frustrating piece of training gear I have ever owned -- in light of power map calibration issues, countless emails with support, hours of reading forums and posts from other users experiencing problems, etc.

E-Motion Rollers (Smart Rollers or traditional resistance) ? Inside Ride

One feature I see that I like is that they connect to your bike power meter to maintain calibration.
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Originally Posted by krispenhartung View Post
I just saw someone post about these "smart" rollers on a FB racing page. The InsideRide rollers. Anyone tried them? I have the Elite Arion Digital Smart B+ rollers, which have proved to be THE most frustrating piece of training gear I have ever owned -- in light of power map calibration issues, countless emails with support, hours of reading forums and posts from other users experiencing problems, etc.

E-Motion Rollers (Smart Rollers or traditional resistance) ? Inside Ride

One feature I see that I like is that they connect to your bike power meter to maintain calibration.
Personally, I'd pass.

Think about what you want out of a set of rollers vs a mag/fluid trainer vs a spin bike.

For trackies, rollers have generally been reserved for:
- Cleaning up one's pedal stroke.
- Low resistance warm up or cool down.

The inside ride smart rollers do the opposite of those. They clean up one's pedal stroke by allowing the bike to lurch back and forth and the resistance undermines the "low resistance warm-up or cool-down."

Not to mention the added potential technical issues with such equipment.

For off-season indoor work on the track bike, I still think that a set of 4.5 inch barrel Kreitlers and a quality mag (not fluid) trainer is best. With a mag trainer, you can bury yourself in an effort and just slow down or simply stop without having to worry about balancing on the rollers.

Mag over fluid because fluid trainers are designed to have the user vary the resistance using road bike gears. One obviously cannot do that with a track bike. That's why mag is best using a handlebar mounted lever to manage resistance.
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Originally Posted by krispenhartung View Post
I just saw someone post about these "smart" rollers on a FB racing page. The InsideRide rollers. Anyone tried them? I have the Elite Arion Digital Smart B+ rollers, which have proved to be THE most frustrating piece of training gear I have ever owned -- in light of power map calibration issues, countless emails with support, hours of reading forums and posts from other users experiencing problems, etc.

E-Motion Rollers (Smart Rollers or traditional resistance) ? Inside Ride

One feature I see that I like is that they connect to your bike power meter to maintain calibration.
Using the eMotion InsideRide 2nd Gen since 2013 and still in love with them - capable of safe, comfortable, road-feeling sessions up to 2hs - but mine is "traditional manual mag resistance adjust", not this smart-auto system now offered as an option.
Of course, not a pure track training tool - good for some intervals, 1min efforts, leg speed/balance work, etc - but "real-feeling" seated accelerations of semi stand-starting are not possible - for these, I have a custom-reinforced RoadMachine KurtKinect.

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Not to mention the added potential technical issues with such equipment.
That's the truth! Which is why I like my two sets of Kreitler rollers -- 3" and 4.5".
I use the fly wheel and the killer head wind resistance unit on the 4.5". I can pretty much match the rolling resistance on a velodrome with the added resistance, or just remove the belts from those two things and spin away at low resistance.

BUT, outside of the gym and interval training, when I'm just getting some endurance time in on my bike in the winter, 1) I like to do it on rollers because it is more interesting, and 2) I actually enjoy using Rouvy or BKOOL and other apps to do virtual routes with video on my track bike, which is where decent smart rollers would come in handy....I'm NOT doing mountain routes though. :-) I'm not a sadomasochist
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Originally Posted by Clythio View Post
Using the eMotion InsideRide 2nd Gen since 2013 and still in love with them - capable of safe, comfortable, road-feeling sessions up to 2hs - but mine is "traditional manual mag resistance adjust", not this smart-auto system now offered as an option.
Of course, not a pure track training tool - good for some intervals, 1min efforts, leg speed/balance work, etc - but "real-feeling" seated accelerations of semi stand-starting are not possible - for these, I have a custom-reinforced RoadMachine KurtKinect.
Interesting. I see that their new version is controllable via their app on a smart phone or a training app. They jacked the price up to $1200! Wow.

I'm still fantasizing over the reality of a wheel-off/drive train smart trainer for track bikes, basically a Wahoo Kickr for real drop outs and a 120mm axle. I'd pay $1200 for that in a second.
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I have the basic Inside Rides. They are fine for riding the road bike or intervals. I can do out of the saddle stuff on them as well, though not standing starts. I don't ride them as much right now because I've been riding at 5 am, and I just don't feel like concentrating on my balance that early. The trainer is much simpler to deal with that early.

The $1200 version is comparable to a Wahoo Kickr, so the price isn't obscene.
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Originally Posted by topflightpro View Post
I have the basic Inside Rides. They are fine for riding the road bike or intervals. I can do out of the saddle stuff on them as well, though not standing starts. I don't ride them as much right now because I've been riding at 5 am, and I just don't feel like concentrating on my balance that early. The trainer is much simpler to deal with that early.

The $1200 version is comparable to a Wahoo Kickr, so the price isn't obscene.
When you train on a non-roller trainer, do you use your road bike or track bike? I am curious how many track cyclists train exclusively on track bikes indoors, vs. switching back and forth between track and road. Currently, and this is prone to change, I do all my seated interval and high cadence work on my track bike and the Kreitler rollers with the fly wheel and resistance fan. If at all possible, I just prefer to train on the type of bike that I race on. It's a personal preference, that I could probably ween myself off of. :-) These two gadgets can generate up to 1500w, but of course at that resistance, I have to pedal at 50rpm to warmup and or stay on Z2! Not ideal and requires getting off the bike and changing the resistance on the fan. Also, for any Z1-3 work, I use my track bike on the rollers if it's 60m or less. This works great during the week, but on the weekend, 90-120 min on the rollers on a track bike is not fun, so I switch to my Wahoo Kickr and road bike.
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I'd also love to have an direct drive setup that would allow for adjusting the resistance (no switching cogs) but really... a good used computrainer can handle standing starts (if you're really wild you may need to build a bit more stable platform for it) up to some very, very high wattage. For ~$200-400 it's hard not to just throw a trainer tyre on a cheap wheel and go to town.
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My old Garmin sensor has broken and it now seems to be discontinued.

Are there any magnet based ant+ speed sensors on the market now? Everything ive seen has been the newer magnet free versions or using bluetooth rather than ant+ . Unfortunately neither option can work for me - garmin 520 and when im using a disc and 5spoke (unless someone knows a way to make this set up work?)
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Cateye ISC-11 is on sale for $30 on the Cateye US website...

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My old Garmin sensor has broken and it now seems to be discontinued.

Are there any magnet based ant+ speed sensors on the market now? Everything ive seen has been the newer magnet free versions or using bluetooth rather than ant+ . Unfortunately neither option can work for me - garmin 520 and when im using a disc and 5spoke (unless someone knows a way to make this set up work?)
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Old 11-27-18, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by zizou View Post
My old Garmin sensor has broken and it now seems to be discontinued.

Are there any magnet based ant+ speed sensors on the market now? Everything ive seen has been the newer magnet free versions or using bluetooth rather than ant+ . Unfortunately neither option can work for me - garmin 520 and when im using a disc and 5spoke (unless someone knows a way to make this set up work?)
I have found bike24.com to be a great resource for these and occasionally check back in when I see posts like yours to find they still have a good range. Not necessarily to buy as unless you're buying something else their shipping costs can be a killer, but they are definitely a great guide as to some of what is out there in the marketplace and you can then try and source from elsewhere. I run separate sigma sensors myself so that I don't have to faff around with moving a rear wheel magnet every time I change a gear and don't have to mount a magnet to my rear disc. I still run spokes on the front
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From what I can tell, bontrager still makes their magnet based ant+ sensors
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Originally Posted by krispenhartung View Post
When you train on a non-roller trainer, do you use your road bike or track bike? I am curious how many track cyclists train exclusively on track bikes indoors, vs. switching back and forth between track and road. Currently, and this is prone to change, I do all my seated interval and high cadence work on my track bike and the Kreitler rollers with the fly wheel and resistance fan. If at all possible, I just prefer to train on the type of bike that I race on. It's a personal preference, that I could probably ween myself off of. :-) These two gadgets can generate up to 1500w, but of course at that resistance, I have to pedal at 50rpm to warmup and or stay on Z2! Not ideal and requires getting off the bike and changing the resistance on the fan. Also, for any Z1-3 work, I use my track bike on the rollers if it's 60m or less. This works great during the week, but on the weekend, 90-120 min on the rollers on a track bike is not fun, so I switch to my Wahoo Kickr and road bike.
I train exclusively on my track bike. I have rollers and a cycleops magnus smart trainer that has 3 different settings for different drop out settings. To train standing starts, I go outside on a pretty barren strip of road and run a front brake (weather permitting obviously.) I program my own workouts into trainer road and let that take care of the resistance on the trainer. I pretty much only use rollers for recovery days and some high cadence work. Since i got the smart trainer my road bike just collects dust.
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Originally Posted by carleton View Post


That device won’t let you download.


Its just a speed/cadence sensor - the OP said he already had a Garmin 520....

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Also, the speed sensor runs off of the rear wheel. Rear wheels on track bikes move back and forth with gear changes. Would not recommend.
I agree it can be a pain, but with 2 magnets (or a strip of self-adhesive magnetic tape on a disc) its workable. I may have assumed the OP was trying to replace a Garmin GSC10, which is basically the same design/ form-factor.

To answer the rest of the original question, you can get a small magnet-less sensor that will just fit wrapped around the side of the hub of a disc or 5-spoke, (search amazon for "CYCPLUS Bike Speed Sensor") but in my experience the data is crap.
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Originally Posted by nlaughton View Post
Its just a speed/cadence sensor - the OP said he already had a Garmin 520....
Oh god. I'm so stupid. I read that @zizou's question incorrectly.

Yes, you are right.

Also, Bontrager makes independent speed and cadence sensors.

EDIT:
I've deleted my bad advice above.
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Thanks for the recommendations.

I have a friend 3d printing me a valve hole cover (like the raceware ones but with space for a couple of magnets) so hoping that will cover most of my gear changes. Will post a photo and the details if it works as intended.
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That Raceware cover is neat, but I'm not sure I want to deal with the hassle of unscrewing it every time I need to inflate my tire.

Is anyone using it? What are your thoughts?
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Originally Posted by zizou View Post
Are there any magnet based ant+ speed sensors on the market now?
The Wahoo Blue SC? It's dual ant+/bluetooth

https://www.amazon.com/Wahoo-Cycling.../dp/B00NW882KM

Also you might try ebay.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...sc+10&_sacat=0
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Thanks for the recommendations.

I have a friend 3d printing me a valve hole cover (like the raceware ones but with space for a couple of magnets) so hoping that will cover most of my gear changes. Will post a photo and the details if it works as intended.
I suggest that you put the speed sensor on your fork and double-side tape small, powerful magnets to the brake track of all of your front wheels, left and right sides.

This is great because the brake track is the same on all wheels and you never use brakes on the track. If you flip the wheels around, the other magnet is in place.

I've done this for years with great success.
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Here are two examples from my bikes:



Note the Bontrager ANT+ sensor on the fork. You can barely see the magnet in front.





The Zipp 808 front isn't a directional wheel, so I put a magnet on both sides. The sensor is on the left fork arm. This is the right side. So, if I happen to put the wheel on in the opposite direction, there will be a magnet in place.
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I suggest that you put the speed sensor on your fork and double-side tape small, powerful magnets to the brake track of all of your front wheels, left and right sides.

This is great because the brake track is the same on all wheels and you never use brakes on the track. If you flip the wheels around, the other magnet is in place.

I've done this for years with great success.
I tried the front fork Bontrager speed sensor approach for a while, but it ended up being more of a hassle for me and seemed very precarious and unstable. The main issue I encountered was that the mount would move inward, due to many reasons (e.g., hitting it while racking the bike) and knock the magnet off the wheel (knock!)...then you have the issue of magnets on the track. This happened several times, so I just went with the Wahoo speed sensor and mounted it on my front wheel axle, because I tend not to change my front wheel in a night. The reason why I went with the fork system to begin with was because I was using a tri-spoke, which is not the case anymore. If I return to a tri-spoke, I suppose I will have to re-think things. I still like the idea of a sensor that mounts in the valve hole.
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Originally Posted by krispenhartung View Post
I tried the front fork Bontrager speed sensor approach for a while, but it ended up being more of a hassle for me and seemed very precarious and unstable. The main issue I encountered was that the mount would move inward, due to many reasons (e.g., hitting it while racking the bike) and knock the magnet off the wheel (knock!)...then you have the issue of magnets on the track. This happened several times, so I just went with the Wahoo speed sensor and mounted it on my front wheel axle, because I tend not to change my front wheel in a night. The reason why I went with the fork system to begin with was because I was using a tri-spoke, which is not the case anymore. If I return to a tri-spoke, I suppose I will have to re-think things. I still like the idea of a sensor that mounts in the valve hole.
Regarding the magnets falling off:
I used 3M Outdoor Double-Sided tape. It's about 2mm thick and stiffly gooey like old chewing gum. Willfully removing the magnets takes a lot of effort. I've never had one accidentally pop off, even when the sensor touches it from being too close (click-click-click-click-click-click-click) before I adjust the sensor.




Regarding the sensor moving around:
Yeah, that's the only downside to this method. One does have to be mindful when installing and removing wheels.
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Regarding the magnets falling off:
I used 3M Outdoor Double-Sided tape. It's about 2mm thick and stiffly gooey like old chewing gum. Willfully removing the magnets takes a lot of effort. I've never had one accidentally pop off, even when the sensor touches it from being too close (click-click-click-click-click-click-click) before I adjust the sensor.

Regarding the sensor moving around:
Yeah, that's the only downside to this method. One does have to be mindful when installing and removing wheels.
I tried some super sticky industrial strength double sided tape..didn't work. That's a lot of potential force from the wheel, depending on the speed, leading to contact between the magnet and the sensor. I'm not sure if anything would stop it, aside from permanently gluing the magnet to the wheel, in which case you're gong to rip the sensor off the fork or do some other form of damage. I just don't like anything that can move that easily attached to my bike and so close to moving parts.
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I train exclusively on my track bike. I have rollers and a cycleops magnus smart trainer that has 3 different settings for different drop out settings. To train standing starts, I go outside on a pretty barren strip of road and run a front brake (weather permitting obviously.) I program my own workouts into trainer road and let that take care of the resistance on the trainer. I pretty much only use rollers for recovery days and some high cadence work. Since i got the smart trainer my road bike just collects dust.
That's awesome. I have a few places in my neighborhood where i can ride my track bike. Before I even got on a velodrome, I spend 2 months at a sports complex park a block away that has a giant rectangular 1K bike path in the middle of the field. It worked great and even had a slight bank on one corner, and very importantly, there was grass on the outside, so when I got too fast and road off the path, I didn't kill myself! LOL I would also use one of the long sides as a drag strip and practice standing starts, and was able to get a 300m sprint, finishing in the grass...sort of like track bike meets CX.

I was looking at the Magnus and it appears to be sold out on their site, but they have a newer M2 Smart Trainer, which looks to be the replacement of the Magnus? Same price. I like that they say right in the specs that they are compatible with 120mm.
https://www.cycleops.com/product/m2
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