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Old 09-23-19, 07:34 PM
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Old 09-23-19, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeKahno View Post
Personally, I regard operating in a manner that puts others at risk as d***head behavior.
It seems that you assume, as does the OP, that riding hands free means that folks don't have control of their bikes and/or it puts others at risk.

It's too bad that so many folks are so uninformed.
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Old 09-23-19, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
I think the bigger question is whether you say something to someone riding pants-off.
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Old 09-23-19, 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by sumgy View Post
I must have gotten past it when I turned 51.

Thee are indeed young.

If it was possible that I could be 51 again, but it would cost me ten years off my life, I'd be tempted.
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Old 09-23-19, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by BririaBoarder View Post
I'm amazed no-hands riding can even be done.

Even when I'm signaling my turns, my arm is out there for seconds only...I need it for steering!
You don’t need to “steer” a bike. You just lean into the turns. That does the trick.
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Old 09-23-19, 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by eja_ bottecchia View Post
You don’t need to “steer” a bike. You just lean into the turns. That does the trick.
Yep, I can ride around corners no-handed just by leaning.
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Old 09-24-19, 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by TheChief View Post
I don't think these local laws are designed to limit stupid behaviors as much as they are designed to protect the innocents that too often are victims of the stupid behaviors. Your "Let nature take its course" is fine until it hurts the innocent.
That's not how we think in the USA. We have courts to settle damage to property or persons. Again, the natural consequence of bad choices is to pay when you are liable.
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Old 09-24-19, 05:43 AM
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Is it typical for no-hands riding to become more difficult as you get to be an old fart? That's been my experience, and it seems like it might be consistent with changes in the middle ear that occur with age. I used to go for miles with no hands, now I always want at least one hand on the bars.

Any other older people want to weigh in on this?
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Old 09-24-19, 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Phil_gretz View Post
That's not how we think in the USA. We have courts to settle damage to property or persons. Again, the natural consequence of bad choices is to pay when you are liable.
Unless you're driving, and hit basically anyone who isn't also a driver, in which case,
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Old 09-24-19, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Is it typical for no-hands riding to become more difficult as you get to be an old fart? That's been my experience, and it seems like it might be consistent with changes in the middle ear that occur with age. I used to go for miles with no hands, now I always want at least one hand on the bars.

Any other older people want to weigh in on this?
Is 51 an old fart?
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Old 09-24-19, 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by sumgy View Post
Is 51 an old fart?
Oldish fart, then. I'm 58.

I know consciously that I'm not really balancing the bike by holding onto the bars, and I can put such light pressure on the bars that I know that I'm not really "controlling" them with my hands, but my brain stops me when I try to let go completely. I suspect this mental block is some part of my brain signalling that my sense of balance is no longer good enough to react quickly in case of mishap, so I really haven't tried to fight this.

I know it might sound somewhat crazy to talk about the brain like this, but so much of bike control is unconscious that I tend to "go with my instincts" as to what is or isn't safe for me.
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Old 09-24-19, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Troul View Post
I'd mmob. Now if it were breaking a law, then I'd notify the authorities.
In Tucson it is a law to ride with your hands on the bars. It's also the law to ride a maximum of 12mph on the trails. Doesn't happen.
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Old 09-24-19, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Is it typical for no-hands riding to become more difficult as you get to be an old fart? That's been my experience, and it seems like it might be consistent with changes in the middle ear that occur with age. I used to go for miles with no hands, now I always want at least one hand on the bars.

Any other older people want to weigh in on this?
I'm 52. How well I can ride no-handed has more to do with which bike I'm on. I can ride my road bike no-handed all day. On my old MTB, it's harder to do. You would think it would be the other way around. I'm not sure why.
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Old 09-24-19, 11:02 AM
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Dear Mr. Phil_gretz,

I am new to this bike forum business so I will probable do this wrong and upset some people. That will be unfortunate.

Your comment to me: “That's not how we think in the USA” is rather offensive. I am a retired United States Army Officer so I do not need anyone telling me how Americans think!

Your second sentence is more offensive: “We have courts to settle damage to property or persons”. In 1975 we I was dealing with North Vietnam Army soldiers that had infiltrated the evacuation of refugees from South Vietnam, I receive a Red Cross message that one of my cousins had been killed (murdered) by someone’s “bad choice”. Please tell me how the courts were able to make things right by my dead cousin. Please tell me what “pay when you are liable” means to my aunt when she buried her son, my dead cousin.

In 1979 I received another Red Cross message concerning another cousin. This cousin was also a victim of someone’s “bad choice”. He is still alive and still a quadriplegic. But that is okay: right? The courts were there and able to make things right for him by making the other guy “pay when you are liable”. Except, how is that going to bring back the life he lost.

Please Mr. Phil_gretz do not even suggest to tell me about how people think in the US or how the courts are there to make things “right” when stupid people through their “bad choices” kill or maim, for the rest of their lives, innocents.

You go on and think the way you do because the attitude you presented to me in your response is what I think is wrong with the American people right now.

I offer my most humble apology to everyone that I have offended with this post. I accept the fact that this will be deemed to be offensive and deleted and I will be banned from further interactions with this forum and for that I am truly sorry. I am an old retired guy and I have many, many American and Metric Centuries under my belt both in the US and in Europe that I had hoped to share with the community.
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Old 09-24-19, 11:56 AM
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^^witw?^^
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Sir, this is a forum about bicycles
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Old 09-24-19, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
^^witw?^^
I think that was a response to an imaginary conversation between The Chief and Phil_Gretz that took place in The Chief's head.
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Old 09-24-19, 12:28 PM
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Yes it is and that I why I apologized for my post. The post I was responding to was extremely offensive and I could not just ignore it. So, as I stated in my apology, I will not be exiled but I will resign from this forum.
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Old 09-24-19, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by TheChief View Post
The post I was responding to was extremely offensive and I could not just ignore it. So, as I stated in my apology, I will not be exiled but I will resign from this forum.
If that offended you deeply it's probably for the best. Not exactly earth shattering post by BF standards.
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Old 09-24-19, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TheChief View Post
Yes it is and that I why I apologized for my post. The post I was responding to was extremely offensive and I could not just ignore it. So, as I stated in my apology, I will not be exiled but I will resign from this forum.
I think you read way more in Mr Gretz's post than was actually there.
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Old 09-24-19, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by RohloffRoller View Post
The last hands off cyclist that I saw crossed an intersection in front of me on a road when I was stopped at a light and he was texting at the time

Mike
And you survived his actions to tell the tale, amazing!
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Old 09-24-19, 03:05 PM
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If you "inform the authorities" when you see someone sitting up on a bike I reserve the right to egg your house.
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Old 09-25-19, 12:26 PM
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I'm 65, and I tried taking both hands off on my way to work. I think 1.5 seconds went by before I wobbled. I can't do it. I don't care to try it again.
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Old 09-25-19, 03:19 PM
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Again, with riding a bike without hands, it depends a lot on the bike. My gravel bike must have good frame geometry, since I can ride without touching the handle bars for a few blocks. I'm still a bit chicken in riding too far with no hands, though. My hybrid, however, must be very twitchy because I can't ride more than a few feet without making corrections to the bars. It's just not a good bike to ride no-handed.
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Old 09-25-19, 03:51 PM
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I can ride all of my bikes (MTB or road) no hands unless the headset needs adjusting.
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