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Old 09-25-19, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by L8APEXN View Post
It seems that you assume, as does the OP, that riding hands free means that folks don't have control of their bikes and/or it puts others at risk.

It's too bad that so many folks are so uninformed.
The actual degree of risk is irrelevant.

If, while jogging down a pubic trail I elevate the intensity of my workout by shadow boxing a series of imaginary opponents, maybe even using small weights, other trail users are going to perceive that as putting them at risk. It doesn't matter if I've never hit anybody. It doesn't matter if others engage in the same behavior without hitting anybody. The perception is there.

If I can increase everyone's enjoyment of public space by forgoing behavior many would perceive as placing them at risk, that's the way I'll go. I can change my behavior, all I can do is complain about their perception.
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Old 09-25-19, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeKahno View Post
The actual degree of risk is irrelevant.

If, while jogging down a pubic trail I elevate the intensity of my workout by shadow boxing a series of imaginary opponents, maybe even using small weights, other trail users are going to perceive that as putting them at risk. It doesn't matter if I've never hit anybody. It doesn't matter if others engage in the same behavior without hitting anybody. The perception is there.

If I can increase everyone's enjoyment of public space by forgoing behavior many would perceive as placing them at risk, that's the way I'll go. I can change my behavior, all I can do is complain about their perception.
Well some motorists perceive that the very act of someone riding a bicycle on the road is dangerous.
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Old 09-25-19, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by sumgy View Post
Well some motorists perceive that the very act of someone riding a bicycle on the road is dangerous.
Dangerous to the car driver? I find that difficult to believe. If they perceive it as dangerous to the cyclist it says more about their evaluation of their own abilities to handle a vehicle. Perhaps they should go to a driving school for a refresher course.
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Old 09-25-19, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeKahno View Post
Dangerous to the car driver? I find that difficult to believe. If they perceive it as dangerous to the cyclist it says more about their evaluation of their own abilities to handle a vehicle. Perhaps they should go to a driving school for a refresher course.
I am only using what you said.
There are often comments from motorists on Facebook about cyclists being a danger.
Based on your comment the best way to solve this issue is to forgo the perceived dangerous behaviour.
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Old 09-25-19, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeKahno View Post
The actual degree of risk is irrelevant.

If, while jogging down a pubic trail I elevate the intensity of my workout by shadow boxing a series of imaginary opponents, maybe even using small weights, other trail users are going to perceive that as putting them at risk. It doesn't matter if I've never hit anybody. It doesn't matter if others engage in the same behavior without hitting anybody. The perception is there.

If I can increase everyone's enjoyment of public space by forgoing behavior many would perceive as placing them at risk, that's the way I'll go. I can change my behavior, all I can do is complain about their perception.
It would increase my enjoyment of this forum if I didn't have to risk reading this tortuously bad logic.

You're favoring ignorant people. A few people ought to learn that some people are in total control of their bike without their hands. But instead of confronting this stupidity, you say they're entitled to it, and others should adjust to make them more comfortable with their ignorance.
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Old 09-25-19, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeKahno View Post
The actual degree of risk is irrelevant.

If, while jogging down a pubic trail I elevate the intensity of my workout by shadow boxing a series of imaginary opponents, maybe even using small weights, other trail users are going to perceive that as putting them at risk. It doesn't matter if I've never hit anybody. It doesn't matter if others engage in the same behavior without hitting anybody. The perception is there.

If I can increase everyone's enjoyment of public space by forgoing behavior many would perceive as placing them at risk, that's the way I'll go. I can change my behavior, all I can do is complain about their perception.
Using your "logic," everyone should stop doing things that others perceive to put them at risk, even when there is no risk. What a crappy world that would be,
where everyone is limited by the irrational fears of others.

p.s. It's interesting that you've changed your argument from "puts others at risk" to "The actual degree of risk is irrelevant." Way to move the goal posts!
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Old 09-26-19, 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by L8APEXN View Post
Using your "logic," everyone should stop doing things that others perceive to put them at risk, even when there is no risk. What a crappy world that would be,
where everyone is limited by the irrational fears of others.

p.s. It's interesting that you've changed your argument from "puts others at risk" to "The actual degree of risk is irrelevant." Way to move the goal posts!
This
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Old 09-26-19, 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeKahno View Post
The actual degree of risk is irrelevant.

If, while jogging down a pubic trail I elevate the intensity of my workout by shadow boxing a series of imaginary opponents, maybe even using small weights, other trail users are going to perceive that as putting them at risk. It doesn't matter if I've never hit anybody. It doesn't matter if others engage in the same behavior without hitting anybody. The perception is there.

If I can increase everyone's enjoyment of public space by forgoing behavior many would perceive as placing them at risk, that's the way I'll go. I can change my behavior, all I can do is complain about their perception.
Really bad analogy.

I would be worried about the shadow boxing jogger because I wouldn't be able to evaluate quickly whether the guy miming an assault as I am passing in the other direction is engaged in a workout or is actually threatening me. You're not comparing like things. Maybe if the no-hands cyclist was practicing a nunchuck routine?
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Old 09-26-19, 07:34 AM
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get off my lawn!
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Old 09-26-19, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by L8APEXN View Post
Using your "logic," everyone should stop doing things that others perceive to put them at risk, even when there is no risk. What a crappy world that would be,
where everyone is limited by the irrational fears of others.
Once again, it's that old "if I don't like it, then nobody should be allowed to do it" mentality.
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Old 09-26-19, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Maybe if the no-hands cyclist was practicing a nunchuck routine?
Now that would be badass. I'd love to see that.
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Old 09-26-19, 09:41 AM
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Just because I can't do it doesn't mean that it's dangerous or even difficult for others.
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Old 09-26-19, 05:41 PM
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This is BF, where everyone's minimum cost of entry should be able to say they can turn on a dime with no hands.
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Old 09-26-19, 07:45 PM
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There’s a kid in my neighborhood who rides backwards while sitting on the handlebars. He has to look over his shoulder to see where he’s going. He rides all over the place like that — helmet loosely on his head with the strap hanging.

Am I supposed to call the police on him?

I confess I had to try it myself. It’s really not hard at all, but craning my neck around to see where I’m going is more than my old bones can handle.


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Old 09-27-19, 12:46 PM
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The best one I read here on BF was a person who said they would fly in the bike lane past cars stuck in traffic... while riding no hands and playing air guitar.
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Old 09-27-19, 12:59 PM
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What I would say? I would say "hi" and be done with it. No reason to be a jerk off. You think someone cares about your opinion? Especially when you're yelling and telling them what to do?
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Old 09-27-19, 03:36 PM
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Honestly?

I think riding around and yelling at people about stuff like this is incredibly ******y.
I'm with Humpy on this one
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Old 09-27-19, 03:42 PM
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A guy came shooting towards me yesterday on the MUP, no handed, and I thought of this thread. But he was so rock-steady and calm that I had zero apprehension about it, wouldn't have even noted it ... except this thread ...
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Old 09-27-19, 06:19 PM
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What's annoying is when you're riding no hands-free and the guy coming the other way is staring at his front wheel and drifting towards a head on so you have say something and then put your hands back on the bars in case distracted rider dude doesn't look up and you need to brake.

Run on sentences are also annoying.

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Old 09-27-19, 07:56 PM
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I'm 52. How well I can ride no-handed has more to do with which bike I'm on. I can ride my road bike no-handed all day. On my old MTB, it's harder to do. You would think it would be the other way around. I'm not sure why.
Agreed. I've got a folder (with no top tube) and it's practically impossible for me to ride no handed. No problem on my other bikes.
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Originally Posted by Kedosto View Post
Thereís a kid in my neighborhood who rides backwards while sitting on the handlebars. He has to look over his shoulder to see where heís going. He rides all over the place like that ó helmet loosely on his head with the strap hanging.

Am I supposed to call the police on him?

I confess I had to try it myself. Itís really not hard at all, but craning my neck around to see where Iím going is more than my old bones can handle.


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That's why you need a mirror on your helmet.
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Old 09-28-19, 04:31 AM
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If the no-hand rider is steady and looking forwards then I don't see any reason to intervene.

If you see someone riding down a bike path on a unicycle do you also yell at them?
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Old 09-29-19, 03:08 PM
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omg I would love to see someone riding a unicycle holding a handlebar in the air
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Some of you sound like whiny little [expletives deleted]. Get over yourselves, anybody brave enough to ride no-handed, probably has decent cycling skills. Stability comes with speed. It's a good way to relax ones back after being hunched over for who knows how long and not need to stop.

I ride no-handed when I feel like it. I didn't go mowing down a paceline of orphans carrying kittens in front racks. Sometimes I make running motions with my arms to tease joggers. I've hit potholes and bumps and didn't crash in to anything. But I've also been known to stand up on my bike while coasting, if I'm in a good mood I might even be dancing on it, even in traffic. The only "real danger" is everybody else.

My only scare riding no-handed happened the other day. I was riding the section of road I salmon on the way to work. Because I'm not crossing five lanes to go to the store, cross them again, and then cross them again a block later, before or after I cross the roughly seven lane cross street. Anyway; I was on that section no-handed and a semi drove by and the gust blew my front wheel. Thought I was gonna eat it.
I've only had two bikes I couldn't ride no-handed; my old 60s Sears&Roebuck I made a fixie, the fork was weird on that thing. Imagine the castors on a baskart but backwards. My sketchy chopper(A Schwinn Link I put a Stingray fork on and a 20" bmx wheel). My ratrod(Huffy Nel Lusso) with a tripple tree fork sometimes got the death wobbles. Side story; my old 150 scooter would get death wobbles if you were going under 40+ mph, would scare my at the time fiance, I found it funny.


There. It's fixed for the snowflakes.
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I was thinking of this thread yesterday when I was out for a mellow ride on the ARBT. Weekend mornings tend to be busy, so there's plenty of traffic coming and going. At one point, I sat up and rode no-handed to pull out a banana and eat it. Not one person yelled at me. Maybe we just have fewer busybodies here, I dunno.
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