Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

Classic and Vintage bikes that didn’t wow

Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

Classic and Vintage bikes that didn’t wow

Old 10-11-19, 09:12 AM
  #101  
cudak888 
www.theheadbadge.com
 
cudak888's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Southern Florida
Posts: 26,086

Bikes: https://www.theheadbadge.com

Mentioned: 65 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1339 Post(s)
Liked 1,426 Times in 852 Posts
Any Raleigh DL-1 (not high end, but well-known enough for this list)
1970 Schwinn Paramount P13 (the version before the P13 geometry was updated - completely dead and an energy suck. By comparison, I love my '61 P12 and also liked the ride of my '72 P13)
1979/80 Peugeot PY10 (the one-off example made for the New York International bike show - it really was made for cobbles)
1981 Trek 610 (meh)
1982 Trek 728 (pedal, pedal, pedal...nothing happens)
1984 Raleigh USA Alyeska (hated this thing - what good is a touring bike with massive front-end shimmy?)
1991 Masi/Bilatto Nuova Strada (nothing particularly wrong with it, but it wasn't special either. Rode no different than any generic, mid-range 1980's Japanese bike).


-Kurt
__________________








Last edited by cudak888; 10-11-19 at 09:16 AM.
cudak888 is offline  
Old 10-11-19, 09:42 AM
  #102  
seypat
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 5,493
Mentioned: 61 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1712 Post(s)
Liked 585 Times in 423 Posts
Every bike that I have ridden/owned and currently own are all terrible climbers. I wonder what the common denominator is?
seypat is offline  
Likes For seypat:
Old 10-11-19, 10:09 AM
  #103  
Wildwood
Veteran, Pacifist
 
Wildwood's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Seattle area
Posts: 10,800

Bikes: Bikes??? Thought this was social media?!?

Mentioned: 242 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2691 Post(s)
Liked 1,503 Times in 887 Posts
Originally Posted by sumgy View Post
Said it before, but my Gilco tubed Colnago Master Olympic was the harshest riding bike I ever owned.
I had a Billato built Marin Vicenza 1999 with shaped Columbus Zona(?) Megatube. It was overly stiff, IMHO, resulting in an harsh ride. The only bike that was harsher was an early Cannondale. The Cannondale would not take the 25mm tires I bought when trying to soften the ride. On nice, flexible sidewall 25mm tires the Marin would probably be acceptable, but it's long gone as is the C'dale.
Wildwood is offline  
Old 10-11-19, 10:48 AM
  #104  
gugie 
Dilberteur at large
 
gugie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 9,046

Bikes: It's complicated.

Mentioned: 988 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3172 Post(s)
Liked 1,414 Times in 721 Posts
Originally Posted by oddjob2 View Post
By no means is this a complete list.



I had one of those. It was underwhelming.
__________________
If someone tells you that you have enough bicycles and you don't need any more, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
gugie is offline  
Old 10-11-19, 11:00 AM
  #105  
Thomas15
I think I know nothing.
 
Thomas15's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: NE PA
Posts: 658
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 220 Post(s)
Liked 270 Times in 190 Posts
I bought my first 10 speed in 1974. I had a paper route and some money and I used my bike to deliver my papers. My brother was in the same situation as me and he purchased a Nishiki Kokushi (International) after having his bike stolen (I forget what brand that bike was). At the time I was riding a Raleigh 3 speed. Both of us spent a lot of time riding bikes.

Anyway I didn't want to get the same thing he had so I went to the LBS and purchased a Follis 072. I probably hated that bike more than doing homework. I was forever adjusting and fixing something on it. I did not know a single other person that had one of theses although the LBS that sold them was in our town.

I took out a book in the school library (Eugene Sloane's classic book Complete book of Bicycling), bought a set of Campy high flange hubs and Movic tubular rims and laced up a wheel set for the bike. A month or so after completing that project I ran right into the back of a parked car bent the frame and forks. I had the frame "straightened" by the LBS and new aftermarket forks installed but the thing rode like crap. I went back to my 3 speed right up until I went to college. I rode in a few organized rides with borrowed bikes until my sister lent me an AMF Roadmaster. Come to think of it the Roadmaster was worse than the Follis but I never actually owned the AMF.

Probably if it had survived the Follis would be a nice conversation piece today.
Thomas15 is offline  
Old 10-11-19, 11:29 AM
  #106  
Gravity Aided
Senior Member
 
Gravity Aided's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Normal, Illinois
Posts: 2,714

Bikes: Trek 600 ,1980Raleigh Competition G.S., 1986 Schwinn Passage, Facet Biotour 2000, Falcon San Remo 531,Schwinn Sierra, Sun Seeker tricycle recumbent,1985 Bianchi Squadra

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 33 Post(s)
Liked 9 Times in 9 Posts
Originally Posted by Thomas15 View Post
I bought my first 10 speed in 1974. I had a paper route and some money and I used my bike to deliver my papers. My brother was in the same situation as me and he purchased a Nishiki Kokushi (International) after having his bike stolen (I forget what brand that bike was). At the time I was riding a Raleigh 3 speed. Both of us spent a lot of time riding bikes.

Anyway I didn't want to get the same thing he had so I went to the LBS and purchased a Follis 072. I probably hated that bike more than doing homework. I was forever adjusting and fixing something on it. I did not know a single other person that had one of theses although the LBS that sold them was in our town.

I took out a book in the school library (Eugene Sloane's classic book Complete book of Bicycling), bought a set of Campy high flange hubs and Movic tubular rims and laced up a wheel set for the bike. A month or so after completing that project I ran right into the back of a parked car bent the frame and forks. I had the frame "straightened" by the LBS and new aftermarket forks installed but the thing rode like crap. I went back to my 3 speed right up until I went to college. I rode in a few organized rides with borrowed bikes until my sister lent me an AMF Roadmaster. Come to think of it the Roadmaster was worse than the Follis but I never actually owned the AMF.

Probably if it had survived the Follis would be a nice conversation piece today.
No, I think it would still be mediocre. I had one, and it was underwhelming. Even my G.LaPierre rides better.
Gravity Aided is offline  
Old 10-11-19, 12:06 PM
  #107  
Wildwood
Veteran, Pacifist
 
Wildwood's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Seattle area
Posts: 10,800

Bikes: Bikes??? Thought this was social media?!?

Mentioned: 242 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2691 Post(s)
Liked 1,503 Times in 887 Posts
Originally Posted by Thomas15 View Post
Anyway I didn't want to get the same thing he had so I went to the LBS and purchased a Follis 072. I probably hated that bike more than doing homework. I was forever adjusting and fixing something on it. I did not know a single other person that had one of theses although the LBS that sold them was in our town.


Probably if it had survived the Follis would be a nice conversation piece today.

Did it look like this Follis? Given a mediocre tubeset, i kinda like mine. It takes cyclocross tires and gets some gravel/off-road duty with low gearing, was last year's fendered bike for wet days.


Last edited by Wildwood; 10-11-19 at 01:16 PM.
Wildwood is offline  
Old 10-11-19, 12:15 PM
  #108  
Wildwood
Veteran, Pacifist
 
Wildwood's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Seattle area
Posts: 10,800

Bikes: Bikes??? Thought this was social media?!?

Mentioned: 242 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2691 Post(s)
Liked 1,503 Times in 887 Posts
Looking for pics of the Follis, turned up one I had forgotten.
Carabela Semi-Pro. Ridden only a few times by me and given away.
I loved the condition of this bike and read an old magazine review that was cautiously positive.
But it was truly a poor handling bike, maybe the smaller sizes were better.

Wildwood is offline  
Likes For Wildwood:
Old 10-11-19, 01:42 PM
  #109  
nlerner
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 14,111
Mentioned: 335 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2126 Post(s)
Liked 1,597 Times in 843 Posts
I've been underwhelmed by every Peugeot PX-10 that I've owned, and I've owned at least half a dozen. I've built them up all original, as 650B conversions, as 650A conversions, as single speeds. All meh.
nlerner is offline  
Likes For nlerner:
Old 10-11-19, 03:34 PM
  #110  
iab
Senior Member
 
iab's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NW Burbs, Chicago
Posts: 10,638
Mentioned: 146 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2124 Post(s)
Liked 1,228 Times in 570 Posts
Originally Posted by Goofball View Post
Get copies of beggar's banquet, let it bleed, sticky fingers and exile on main street, a bottle of your favorite bourbon, a pack of Marlboro's, lock yourself in a room and play these albums continuously. Eventually you will have your rolling stones epiphany 🎸🎷
If that epiphany includes putting out the Luckys (never was a Marlboro person) in my eyes in hopes that pain distracts from my ear pain, then you betcha.

iab is offline  
Old 10-11-19, 03:44 PM
  #111  
iab
Senior Member
 
iab's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NW Burbs, Chicago
Posts: 10,638
Mentioned: 146 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2124 Post(s)
Liked 1,228 Times in 570 Posts
Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
Zeppelin, I'm right with you. Hobbit rock, and I don't like Plant's vocals. They also just seem so incredibly stupid. Floyd...I mostly agree, but I do like a few tunes. Elvis...I get the Public Enemy approach, I appreciate it, but he still was a damned fine performer, and some of those earlier tunes, appropriation or not, are pretty good. Don't get me wrong...he's no Chuck Berry.

Whenever anyone asks me Beatles or Stones, I answer The Kinks. I do like the stones a lot, but they can be a bit repetitive.
And. I physically cannot tell the difference between Loverboy, REO Speedwagon, Journey, Styx and Foreigner. blech
iab is offline  
Likes For iab:
Old 10-11-19, 04:18 PM
  #112  
jdawginsc 
Edumacator
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Goose Creek, SC
Posts: 1,506

Bikes: '87 Crestdale, '87 Basso Gap, '92 Rossin Performance EL-OS, Faggin Matrix thingy

Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 444 Post(s)
Liked 346 Times in 230 Posts
Here's an odd one. Loved my Bianchi Randonneur...it was a snappy touring bike that was comfortable, but I did several long distance things including the Pepsi-Cola marathon in Central Park at age 15... 16 hours in, no fatigue except my buttocks. My friend asked to trade for awhile and had a more snazzy geometry Austro Daimler...he didn't want to switch back.
jdawginsc is online now  
Old 10-11-19, 04:51 PM
  #113  
sykerocker 
Senior Member
 
sykerocker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Ashland, VA
Posts: 4,348

Bikes: The keepers: 1958 Raleigh Lenton Grand Prix, 1968 Ranger, 1969 Magneet Sprint, 1971 Gitane Tour de France, 1973 Raleigh Tourist, 3 - 1986 Rossins, and a '77 PX-10 frame in process.

Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 200 Post(s)
Liked 147 Times in 88 Posts
This Paramount. My first and last attempt at a time trials bike, built over a three month period, ridden for three weeks while I desperately tried to convince myself I was having fun, and disassembled with the frame, fork and wheels sold off and the rest of the parts went back into inventory once I faced the realty that it was the worst bike I ever owned. Convinced me that time trial riding wasn’t enjoyable in the slightest, and that frame/wheel combination sucked completely.

__________________
Syke

“No one in this world, so far as I know — and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me — has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.”

H.L. Mencken, (1926)

sykerocker is offline  
Old 10-11-19, 05:43 PM
  #114  
rjhammett
Senior Member
 
rjhammett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Saint Paul, Minnesota
Posts: 2,161

Bikes: 92 Colnago Master PIU, 85 Fuso, 92 Bridgestone RB-1, 83 Pinarello Record, 92 Tommaso, 92 Merckx MX Leader, 90 Serotta Colorado II, 99 Tommasini Sintesi, 90 Pinarello Montello, 89 Tommasini Super Prestige, 08 Look 585 and 8 more

Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 273 Post(s)
Liked 226 Times in 116 Posts
I am still trying to get excited about this bike. It is ok but I was expecting more. I have made a few changes and it is getting better though.

rjhammett is offline  
Old 10-11-19, 06:16 PM
  #115  
Thomas15
I think I know nothing.
 
Thomas15's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: NE PA
Posts: 658
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 220 Post(s)
Liked 270 Times in 190 Posts
Originally Posted by Wildwood View Post
Did it look like this Follis? Given a mediocre tubeset, i kinda like mine. It takes cyclocross tires and gets some gravel/off-road duty with low gearing, was last year's fendered bike for wet days.
Not really. Mine was a silver/blueish color and had chrome fork tips but painted chain stays. I did put on bar end shifters it came with down tube friction shifters. It also came with Simplex criterium short cage RD. I was 15 at the time and even at that tender age remember thinking that this bike is a dud. I had dreams of double butted Reynolds 531 and Campy components and had I been a bit more patient would have been able to save up and get it but alas, youth.
Thomas15 is offline  
Old 10-11-19, 07:18 PM
  #116  
crank_addict
Banned
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 7,152
Mentioned: 93 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1361 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 391 Times in 256 Posts
Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
Any Raleigh DL-1 (not high end, but well-known enough for this list)



-Kurt
Should we compare penney farthing's, monkeys riding and the dynamic duo doing wheelies on a tandem?


Last edited by crank_addict; 10-11-19 at 07:27 PM.
crank_addict is offline  
Old 10-11-19, 07:30 PM
  #117  
cudak888 
www.theheadbadge.com
 
cudak888's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Southern Florida
Posts: 26,086

Bikes: https://www.theheadbadge.com

Mentioned: 65 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1339 Post(s)
Liked 1,426 Times in 852 Posts
Originally Posted by crank_addict View Post
Should we compare penney farthing's, monkeys riding and the dynamic duo doing wheelies on a tandem?
No. The DL-1 is neither "out there" or antique enough to be excluded from the discussion.

You can buy a brand new DL-1 - even if it isn't called that anymore - brand new in Denmark. It might have better components hung on it and the rod brakes have finally been given the bin, but it is still a restomodded DL-1.



I would really like to try one of these. It would be interesting to see if the highly improved drivetrain, better build quality, and the single drum brake prove to be an improvement over the century of underwhelming DL-1s.

They don't list the frame material, so I wonder if you're still getting gaspipe for $1,200 USD.

-Kurt
__________________








Last edited by cudak888; 10-11-19 at 07:36 PM.
cudak888 is offline  
Old 10-11-19, 07:32 PM
  #118  
sumgy
Senior Member
 
sumgy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 739
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 359 Post(s)
Liked 84 Times in 57 Posts
Forgot.
Anything with a Brooks saddle.
sumgy is offline  
Old 10-11-19, 07:35 PM
  #119  
crank_addict
Banned
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 7,152
Mentioned: 93 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1361 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 391 Times in 256 Posts
Well, in that regards the new Flying Pigeon 75 watt E bike stinks like leaking sulfuric acid.

Quote: Bicycleen Oct. 2019
crank_addict is offline  
Old 10-11-19, 07:41 PM
  #120  
cudak888 
www.theheadbadge.com
 
cudak888's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Southern Florida
Posts: 26,086

Bikes: https://www.theheadbadge.com

Mentioned: 65 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1339 Post(s)
Liked 1,426 Times in 852 Posts
Originally Posted by crank_addict View Post
Well, in that regards the new Flying Pigeon 75 watt E bike stinks like leaking sulfuric acid.

Quote: Bicycleen Oct. 2019
I'm disappointed, because I can't find it online...and I'm getting visions of a shoddily-assembled DL-1 with a battery and hub motor tacked onto it.

I want to see this thing

-Kurt
__________________







cudak888 is offline  
Old 10-11-19, 07:47 PM
  #121  
crank_addict
Banned
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 7,152
Mentioned: 93 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1361 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 391 Times in 256 Posts
https://thebagelchronicles.typepad.c...lightning.html
crank_addict is offline  
Old 10-11-19, 08:06 PM
  #122  
cudak888 
www.theheadbadge.com
 
cudak888's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Southern Florida
Posts: 26,086

Bikes: https://www.theheadbadge.com

Mentioned: 65 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1339 Post(s)
Liked 1,426 Times in 852 Posts
Originally Posted by crank_addict View Post
Saw them. Those are conversions, not factory Pigeons.

You'd think someone would have done a front hub motor conversion with the battery on the rack by now.

-Kurt
__________________







cudak888 is offline  
Likes For cudak888:
Old 10-11-19, 08:51 PM
  #123  
aeshultz 
Somewhat slow older guy
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: C-bus, OH
Posts: 336

Bikes: '83 Trek 311, '96 Litespeed Catalyst, '06 LeMond Poprad, '07 LeMond plastic bike, '06 Serotta CSI, Surly Cross Check, and a few others.

Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 100 Post(s)
Liked 9 Times in 8 Posts
One that surprised me was a Marinoni Special. Columbus SL built with all Campy - it was steep and stiff, def. a crit bike. Just didn't work for me at all. Moved it on quickly.
aeshultz is offline  
Old 10-12-19, 07:57 AM
  #124  
thinktubes 
weapons-grade bolognium
 
thinktubes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Across the street from Chicago
Posts: 5,443

Bikes: Battaglin Cromor, Ciocc Designer 84, Schwinn Superior 1981

Mentioned: 37 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 679 Post(s)
Liked 750 Times in 378 Posts
Wondering if others use the same seat/bar/pedals across all their bikes? Since these are the points of contact, it would provide a constant and eliminate some variables when evaluating a bike. I do this with all my bikes.

When I was still learning about fit, I almost got rid of what became one of my favorite bikes because I hadn't found a seat/bar combo that worked for me. It took me several years to get things figured out (pre-internet) and I even tried to sell the bike at one point.
thinktubes is offline  
Old 10-12-19, 08:20 AM
  #125  
iab
Senior Member
 
iab's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NW Burbs, Chicago
Posts: 10,638
Mentioned: 146 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2124 Post(s)
Liked 1,228 Times in 570 Posts
Originally Posted by thinktubes View Post
Wondering if others use the same seat/bar/pedals across all their bikes? Since these are the points of contact, it would provide a constant and eliminate some variables when evaluating a bike. I do this with all my bikes.

When I was still learning about fit, I almost got rid of what became one of my favorite bikes because I hadn't found a seat/bar combo that worked for me. It took me several years to get things figured out (pre-internet) and I even tried to sell the bike at one point.
Why are trying to suck out the subjectivity from this thread? Party pooper.
iab is offline  
Likes For iab:

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.