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Old 02-12-21, 10:27 AM
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2x25s way too late last night. Legs were kinda heavy. Screwed up my sleep pretty badly after 😑
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Old 02-12-21, 10:37 AM
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Erg. I prefer outdoors for these, but weather here is 40's and 30's and ice and rain for a full week.

I never do the upper or lower % range for VO2. I've read like 105 to 120%. I think I'm at 113%. Zwift you can hit + or - to add or lessen the load by a percent during your workout OR you can do your set and bail the last 10 seconds by swiping right. Heartrate during the workout seems to react just right for what VO2 for me should be.

I managed to hit 4 of 5 of the 5min intervals, managed like 2min the last one. The 3x3x3 workout I got all of them until the foot unplugged the trainer in my last rep of the last set with a minute to go. I started it back up and hit the last minute, but that doesn't count I guess.

I have off days in between, so, the fatigue isn't too too bad. It's just the game face on the trainer. Good feeding before hand.

I wanted to do 3 this week to get into the pattern. I'll probably do 2 in subsequent weeks and try to raise the % a hair or add duration a hair. I couldn't do 3 a week for more than a single week. I'm no stud.
man i HATE over threshy on the trainer, just feels too weird. good on you.
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Old 02-12-21, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by TheKillerPenguin View Post
man i HATE over threshy on the trainer, just feels too weird. good on you.
Dude, I totally understand. I don't like it. With weather, it's just all I can do.

I see my TT bike sitting there on the little metal stand looking all lonely. I hear it whimpering and calling out to me. I've done a few workouts on Zwift with it the past weeks, but I miss rolling that thing outdoors.

We've had our wettest winter here starting around Dec since forever. And not a 50 deg wet you can kinda deal with, like windy and 40 usually.

Worst part is we own a small ranch house. So I permanently setup my Kickr in a bifold door clothes closet. I turned our old 42" tv on its side vertical in one end and have it all wired up. Just swing open the doors and lay the hangers of clothes on the bed and ride. I think I've got like 4 inches either side of my pedals in there.

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Yesterday did 6x7min @ 105-108%, 4/6 good, 2/6 really hurty. These were scaled to 285w, since apparently I lost 10-15w in FTP just by merely going into the build phase even after consistent training lol On one hand, I get that having a vanity FTP does me no good, so there's no point in having 300w set as my FTP if I can't execute at or over threshold consistently. However, I find it hard to believe I could have done 6 weeks of training in which the majority of my training was at 95% and not feel fatigued, so at least to my simple mind there's a disconnect between my ability at different levels. That's part of the reason why I don't really like to test and adjust the targets according to what I can consistently accomplish for training zones. It occasionally leads me to existential crises like this post, but I'll have stuff figured out soon enough lol
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Old 02-12-21, 03:30 PM
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Okay...everyone is bored with my TTTs. Yesterday’s Fiesta had a new obstacle. It was a guy on a skateboard being power by a big sail that he held without any stabilizing mechanism. He was on the left side of the one way road at least going in the right direction. We passed him on the right hoping nothing odd would happen to flip him into us. On the next lap, he was off the road in the hard pack dirt.
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1x15 & 1x25 yesterday, I guess sort of threshy. Watched Grosse Pointe Blank, was funnier than I remembered.
2x20 + 1x15 today, like 5-10w under threshy feeling yesterday a bit. Watched Speed, was radder than I remembered.
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Old 02-14-21, 08:22 PM
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I did a 100km ride on Zwift; not a race but no ride lead, so it was basically a race. I was fresh with 6 easy days (but some efforts yesterday) and wanted to break some pr's. I was about 20 watts off on the high end, I just didn't have it today =\ Still just 2 minutes off the lead ground for 3.6 w/kg for 2:20.
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Old 02-14-21, 09:04 PM
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2 hours on the bike yesterday, then a 3.5 hour hike with the family today. Legs feel pretty good but I’m just generally fatigued. Tomorrow is a scheduled rest day. I may just do an easy spin.
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did 3x20 over unders on Sat. First one good, 2nd one ok, last one boo lol I bailed out of some sweet spot yesterday, wasn't feeling it. I'm just in a weird spot, fortunately this week is an endurance/recovery week.

Not sure how many are following this whole Dylan Johnson v. Trainerroad kerfuffle, it's blown up on other online forums. But it really did get me thinking that even though I felt really good, maybe doing all that sweet spot over 12 weeks slightly overcooked me (I generally have responded well to it). Because I can't think of any other reason behind my mini slump, so I've got some other stuff planned to help reset me a bit after this week
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Old 02-15-21, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by furiousferret View Post
I did a 100km ride on Zwift; not a race but no ride lead, so it was basically a race. I was fresh with 6 easy days (but some efforts yesterday) and wanted to break some pr's. I was about 20 watts off on the high end, I just didn't have it today =\ Still just 2 minutes off the lead ground for 3.6 w/kg for 2:20.
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Old 02-15-21, 09:59 AM
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Finished up a 4 day block with 1x30 sweet spot on saturday and 2hrs tempo yesterday (308w, to flex on burnthesheep's 300w thread ). I'm pretty tired, last week I only did 11.25hrs but like 4 of those hours were in zone over the last 4 days.

I'm supposed to have a wisdom tooth pulled on Thursday so I'm torn between continuing to dig a hole or resting for a couple of days and getting in a good workout Wednesday. We're also supposed to get like a foot of snow thursday so my appointment might not even happen.

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Old 02-15-21, 12:59 PM
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My new home gym is slowly coming together. So far, my 45s, 25s, olympic bar, bench, and safety pins have arrived. Still waiting on the squat rack, hex bar and 10s.
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Old 02-15-21, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by TMonk View Post
What route?
Petit Boucle; it was the first time I did the full route (I've done the partial many times) and that 4 minute climb killed me. Last lap I was gapped by 4 seconds at the top and that turned into a minute.
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Old 02-15-21, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TheKillerPenguin View Post
Finished up a 4 day block with 1x30 sweet spot on saturday and 2hrs tempo yesterday (308w, to flex on burnthesheep's 300w thread ).
You did 308 for two hours at a tempo pace?

That's boss-like. Nice.
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Old 02-15-21, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by rubiksoval View Post
You did 308 for two hours at a tempo pace?

That's boss-like. Nice.
Thanks! Theoretically my ftp is 350-360 but inertial changes on a smart trainer feel weird and I don't erg mode, so I've only got 352 up til about 36min inside this winter. I did do 335 for 80min at the beginning of January pretty easily, so I'm reasonably confident about the 350 ballpark. Outdoor numbers are typically a bit higher along with tte.

I probably should be switching to vo2 to push out of my current plateau I guess, but I HATE vo2 on the trainer.
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I think I saw Psimet2001 last night on Zwift on Richmond fan flats. I can't imagine it would be somebody else with that specific of a username.

I need a new fan. The blower thing I'm using isn't enough. If I could have traced my HR vs RPE vs temp last night, it would have been telling. I sought a hard hour of sweetspot on the upper end. It was just right for most of it, but the heat soak just ended me the last 15min. Couldn't do it. HR continuing to climb. I felt hot. RPE skyrocketed.

I think indoors you have to for that long a period of time bring the power down, increase your fans cooling, or do work with rest intervals to cool off. With zero time to reduce temperature, I feel like that was the problem. Instead I think I'll just add the extra time to the workout to put it into sets with some time between to cool off.

The below isn't for folks that aren't into potty stuff........

Noticed the body metrics scale really does need you to follow procedure for emptying yourself but having a little breakfast. Seems like if you don't it really skews the %. You can take it from there if you know what I mean.
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It hasn't been above freezing here in the last 5 days, and isn't expected to until Friday. It snowed/sleeted an inch or two yesterday, too. The high is 18 today! This weather isn't unheard of, but it doesn't happen too often. Everything has completely shut down. No schools, no daycares, everyone trying to work virtually.

I took a recovery week with a few days off last week and got about 6 hours and 5.5 MJ, so this week it's back at it shooting for 10, which will be entirely two-a-day/trainer-based until Sat. My Tacx is grinding really badly. This is the second one, and this one just made it past its warranty before starting up the sounds (since I only ever ride it from Dec- Mar), so I guess I'll try taking it apart at some point and see if it's fixable.
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Old 02-16-21, 09:01 AM
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Skiing in Park City, UT...actually Deer Valley Ski Resort. 10,000 vertical feet yesterday. My SpO2 seems about 1 point better than 3 weeks ago for day 2. Altitude sleep last night was choppy with a lot of peeing.

I tried the short skis. Of course, I could ski them and the newer versions are much better than the original versions that I had 15 years ago. Much stiffer. I can cut a turn and reach down and touch the snow. I can do much more radical stuff. However, they are much tougher on the legs. The last run of the day, I was skiing with my hands behind my back like a speed skater. That seems to take a lot more balance and core strength than with ones hands out. I did not use poles.

Interestingly, they were a hit with the ski instructor / Deer Valley lift operators who wanted to know how they performed and looked like fun. I summarized them as bad ass and super cool. That seemed to sell.

We are getting a lot of snow the next couple of days. Traditional skis today.
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Originally Posted by burnthesheep View Post
I think I saw Psimet2001 last night on Zwift on Richmond fan flats. I can't imagine it would be somebody else with that specific of a username.

I need a new fan. The blower thing I'm using isn't enough. If I could have traced my HR vs RPE vs temp last night, it would have been telling. I sought a hard hour of sweetspot on the upper end. It was just right for most of it, but the heat soak just ended me the last 15min. Couldn't do it. HR continuing to climb. I felt hot. RPE skyrocketed.

I think indoors you have to for that long a period of time bring the power down, increase your fans cooling, or do work with rest intervals to cool off. With zero time to reduce temperature, I feel like that was the problem. Instead I think I'll just add the extra time to the workout to put it into sets with some time between to cool off.
Get a utility fan. Treat yoself!

I have this one. Works really well - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07YKXF9VC/

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Old 02-16-21, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by TheKillerPenguin View Post
Treat yoself!
Parks and Rec quote???

But yes, I'm going to go strong on the fan. Maybe if I do, the weather will pay attention to my Amazon deliveries and suddenly decide to permanently improve nullifying the use of the new fan.
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We have an unfinished basement that tends to seep in the rainy season. Not enough to install a sump pump, but about once a winter I would have to shop vac about an inch of water in one corner. Then I got an "air mover" fan that I turn on once I notice some accumulation and it works great. It also makes a kick-ass trainer fan.
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We have an unfinished basement that tends to seep in the rainy season. Not enough to install a sump pump, but about once a winter I would have to shop vac about an inch of water in one corner. Then I got an "air mover" fan that I turn on once I notice some accumulation and it works great. It also makes a kick-ass trainer fan.
Would a dehumidifier not be a good option? You can run it during the rainy season to prevent a build up of water. It will make the basement warmer though.
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Would a dehumidifier not be a good option? You can run it during the rainy season to prevent a build up of water. It will make the basement warmer though.
Good question, I donít know. The water isnít in the air, I donít think. It seeps in through the concrete. And it isnít that chronic of a problem. I can usually tell after a couple of days of rain, which only happens a few times a season.
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Originally Posted by TheKillerPenguin View Post
Get a utility fan. Treat yoself!

I have this one. Works really well - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07YKXF9VC/
+1 on the Lasko blower. I got one this year and it is waaaaaayy better than the box fan I had previously. Also compact to store, and easy to aim where you want it.
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Originally Posted by TheKillerPenguin View Post
Get a utility fan. Treat yoself!

I have this one. Works really well - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07YKXF9VC/
I have that one, too!

I have a box fan type thing on the floor angled up on my legs and torso, and then I have the Lasko at chest/head level about two feet away and only turn it on during hard rides/races. It moves a ton of air, so much that I don't like using it unless I'm putting out a good chunk of watts.
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