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Old 02-25-21, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by genejockey View Post
Tried my first 'Tabata' intervals tonight. I knew not to use Erg Mode, but it was really frustrating trying to nail the wattage goals because Zwift responds so slowly - I'd be putting in a huge effort, but the power would lag by quite a bit, and then I'd overshoot, and then I'd back off and undershoot, then overshoot. Lather, rinse, repeat after 10 seconds of trying not to go over or under the "easy" wattage. I ended up completing one set, but getting only half a star because I had so much trouble trying to hit the wattage goals.

Halfway through the second set I gave up.
So you're using Ramp Mode, which is similar to a dumb trainer? If so, I'd recommend figuring out your cadence, in your gear of choice, at the target power. That's how I do all of my dumb-trainer power targeting. There's still some lag and some over-shoot as you ramp up, but it's easier and more intuitive to for me to feel out a cadence than it is for me to feel out a power output.
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Old 02-25-21, 06:42 AM
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Just let me have this one.
IKR, you ask for so little.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
I swear that I've seen this exact bike in a 'For Sale' ad before.
I can't find the original posting on here, but I have an image of that bike saved on my computer with a last modified date of 11/11/2020...

I don't think the price has change much, if at all, since then
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Originally Posted by genejockey View Post
Tried my first 'Tabata' intervals tonight. I knew not to use Erg Mode, but it was really frustrating trying to nail the wattage goals because Zwift responds so slowly - I'd be putting in a huge effort, but the power would lag by quite a bit, and then I'd overshoot, and then I'd back off and undershoot, then overshoot. Lather, rinse, repeat after 10 seconds of trying not to go over or under the "easy" wattage. I ended up completing one set, but getting only half a star because I had so much trouble trying to hit the wattage goals.

Halfway through the second set I gave up.
The phase lag makes riding to that power number virtually impossible. That's why I use ergometer mode on the trainer, but it's also hard to do on the road where the sampling is too rapid to follow and smoothing introduces its own lag. What I have done is to try to learn what a particular output feels like that day while warming up and on the first couple of intervals, and then use the power number as a periodic check on how I'm doing. I hope this makes some sense.
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I seem to have forgotten we share a birthday. Belated ..
You too!
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50 degrees at 5 am, I’m so excited I don’t even know what to wear!
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It's Yaktrax season.
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Come on. Dude has a DUI arrest. He was speeding . . . or worse.
I must say, I am shocked...SHOCKED, that you would insinuate anything even bordering on the illegal.. This is Tiger we are talking about. Hes been to rehab. He has paid his debit to society. Hes a changed man. How could you,V.V. even think for a moment that Tiger Woods would engage in crime? Especially one so pedestrian as speeding. There isn't even a Hooker in the car.
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It's Yaktrax season.
???

Yakima?
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Originally Posted by abshipp View Post
I can't find the original posting on here, but I have an image of that bike saved on my computer with a last modified date of 11/11/2020...

I don't think the price has change much, if at all, since then
did I post it before and forget about it?
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Originally Posted by bampilot06 View Post
did I post it before and forget about it?
Looks like it was me, actually
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Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
So you're using Ramp Mode, which is similar to a dumb trainer? If so, I'd recommend figuring out your cadence, in your gear of choice, at the target power. That's how I do all of my dumb-trainer power targeting. There's still some lag and some over-shoot as you ramp up, but it's easier and more intuitive to for me to feel out a cadence than it is for me to feel out a power output.
I don't know about Ramp Mode. I did have the power display set for 3 second averaging. And it's a wheel-on Smart Trainer with no other power meter. I guess there are too many lags in the system for 20 on/10 off to register properly. Seriously it's "More power! More power! More power! Less Power! Less power! More power! More power!" for the whole time.
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Looks like it was me, actually
still ugly.
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still ugly.
I know I am, but you don't have to rub it in like that
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I have, too. Nice looking bike except for the clownish front ring..

90x11= 229 gear inches x 90 rpm = 69mph. No problem if you ride in a vacuum.
Well since I suck...
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90x11= 229 gear inches x 90 rpm = 69mph. No problem if you ride in a vacuum.
Reminds me, I rode my track bike a few days ago and almost had to grab some brake on a downhill. I hit 28mph on a ~72" gear which comes out to about 130rpm. I had not ridden a fixed wheel in several months so it was a little frightening
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I know I am, but you don't have to rub it in like that

sold the bass and amp for 700. Was asking 800.

Now all I have left is the jaguar, and no name precision.
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Originally Posted by abshipp View Post
Reminds me, I rode my track bike a few days ago and almost had to grab some brake on a downhill. I hit 28mph on a ~72" gear which comes out to about 130rpm. I had not ridden a fixed wheel in several months so it was a little frightening
Sounds fun!

This made me come back to the little idea in the back of my mind that won't go away - a light, SS, disc brake bike, possibly with gravel-type clearance. So dumb, but so appealing to me.
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???

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Reminds me, I rode my track bike a few days ago and almost had to grab some brake on a downhill. I hit 28mph on a ~72" gear which comes out to about 130rpm. I had not ridden a fixed wheel in several months so it was a little frightening
That's why I put a freewheel cog on the Langster.
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Originally Posted by bampilot06 View Post
sold the bass and amp for 700. Was asking 800.

Now all I have left is the jaguar, and no name precision.
Sweet!
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Sounds fun!

This made me come back to the little idea in the back of my mind that won't go away - a light, SS, disc brake bike, possibly with gravel-type clearance. So dumb, but so appealing to me.
Do eet.

The track bike is my lightest at around 18lbs and feels lovely and lively. Not quite gravel clearance but 584x38 fits. So I fully endorse that idea

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That's why I put a freewheel cog on the Langster.
Maybe I'll give that a try once I get two brakes installed.
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Originally Posted by abshipp View Post
Do eet.

The track bike is my lightest at around 18lbs and feels lovely and lively. Not quite gravel clearance but 584x38 fits. So I fully endorse that idea

I think that my Cervelo is around that weight, so I'd want to shoot for at least a few pounds lighter with an SS. If I'm not going to get bailed out by gearing, I at least want a substantial weight placebo to power me along.
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Sounds fun!

This made me come back to the little idea in the back of my mind that won't go away - a light, SS, disc brake bike, possibly with gravel-type clearance. So dumb, but so appealing to me.
Lightweight coaster brake plus bike is what I've been dreaming about for a few months. I've got a a new coaster hub out in the garage and it seems like I should do something with it.

Do up a reverse dished rear wheel on that hub after respacing the axle, wonder if I could make it work with a 140mm rear end.

Then I'd have to build the frame...

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