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Old 02-21-21, 12:19 AM
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You might want to try this tire

I bought a set of Panaracer Gravelking SKs on my fixie/single speed to convert it to a psuedo gravel/road beater bike. I didn't know what to expect but these are fantastic tires on gravel and road. I cannot speak to longevity or puncture resistance as I haven't put many miles (maybe 50) but the grip of the compound is fantastic. Also the tread is made in such a way that I don't notice a slowdown on tarmac (and they are quiet). The SK has tread and I think it would be a great touring tire.

The Gravelking also comes in a slick version and from what I'm reading of the reviews online it may be a rival to my Continental Gatorskins.

Check them out, I'm quite impressed with the quality of these tires, and Panaracer as a brand.

Nobody paid me to write this, but Panaracer if you are listening...
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Old 02-21-21, 05:03 AM
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Hi

This is the road forum.

Our bikes might get dirty if we venture onto gravel.

Nope.
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Originally Posted by znomit View Post
Hi

This is the road forum.

Our bikes might get dirty if we venture onto gravel.

Nope.
Actually, the slick and compound tread GravelKings are one of the best tires for urban road riding if you want both puncture resistant and fast rolling tires.

Urban roads are still roads, only littered with more puncturing stuff like broken glass, nails, etc that's why urban tires tend to feature puncture resistance.
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Originally Posted by Symox View Post
The Gravelking also comes in a slick version and from what I'm reading of the reviews online it may be a rival to my Continental Gatorskins.
Whoa, whoa, whoa - let's pump the brakes with this lofty praise.
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Originally Posted by cubewheels View Post
Actually, the slick and compound tread GravelKings are one of the best tires for urban road riding if you want both puncture resistant and fast rolling tires.
There's GP5000s for that, all around tire which has a puncture protection layer which works well, rolls well and grip is good in all sorts of conditions.

If it's not good enough, I'd try that in tubeless, and if that wasn't good enough, either, I would try to move out of Mogadishu.
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I'm currently trying out Vittoria Corsa Speed tubeless tires which are slightly more on the "fast but impractical" side of the spectrum (still planning to use them for IM Barcelona if it happens and a few ultraendurance rides I have planned, but a bit fragile and wet grip isn't up to the task of all around all weather use - I got a bit of road rash today pushing them on the wet) , but Gatorskins and Gravelkings are excessive for road use.
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A puncture isn't the end of the world anyway, but I would be highly surprised that you would get them with any regularity at all using one of the top shelf "all around" road tires, especially if ran tubeless.
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Originally Posted by Branko D View Post
There's GP5000s for that, all around tire which has a puncture protection layer which works well, rolls well and grip is good in all sorts of conditions.

If it's not good enough, I'd try that in tubeless, and if that wasn't good enough, either, I would try to move out of Mogadishu.
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I'm currently trying out Vittoria Corsa Speed tubeless tires which are slightly more on the "fast but impractical" side of the spectrum (still planning to use them for IM Barcelona if it happens and a few ultraendurance rides I have planned, but a bit fragile and wet grip isn't up to the task of all around all weather use - I got a bit of road rash today pushing them on the wet) , but Gatorskins and Gravelkings are excessive for road use.
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A puncture isn't the end of the world anyway, but I would be highly surprised that you would get them with any regularity at all using one of the top shelf "all around" road tires, especially if ran tubeless.
I'd probably take over Mogadishu government as 4th option so the roads can be fixed!

I only experienced pinch flat once my entire cycling time due to not paying attention on the road (totally my fault) and it was so severe that the sidewalls are penetrated as well, not sure if tubeless would have fared better.

I get way more flats from wires and small shards of glass that is virtually invisible when riding on the bike. That problem ended when I started using puncture resistant tires. And I had to deal with lots of urban riding just getting out of the city.
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Originally Posted by cubewheels View Post
I get way more flats from wires and small shards of glass that is virtually invisible when riding on the bike.
So, exactly the sort of thing that tubeless excels at preventing? Got it.
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Anybody tried the Goodyear Eagle?, How is it?, they say that its quite slippery.
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Originally Posted by czero8 View Post
Anybody tried the Goodyear Eagle?, How is it?, they say that its quite slippery.
The tubeless Eagle F1 hasn't fared very well in terms of rolling resistance (both real-world and drum testing) vs direct competition, so I took them off of my short list of tires to try. Too bad - I dig the brand/labeling and the tan sidewalls.
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So, exactly the sort of thing that tubeless excels at preventing? Got it.
I haven't got any punctures with puncture resistant tubed tires either.

With the mixed opinions of our own members that have used tubeless especially those in a similar situation as I am, I'm not convinced it's worth the upgrade to tubeless yet.
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Originally Posted by cubewheels View Post
I haven't got any punctures with puncture resistant tubed tires either.
Well, if a performance-oriented guy like yourself couldn't appreciate the difference between a top-tier tubeless and a puncture-resistant tire, no one would.

Originally Posted by cubewheels View Post
With the mixed opinions of our own members that have used tubeless especially those in a similar situation as I am, I'm not convinced it's worth the upgrade to tubeless yet.
There's mixed opinion among actual tubeless users that want high performance tires and who regularly got flats caused by small punctures? That's news to me.
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looks interesting
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Whoa, whoa, whoa - let's pump the brakes with this lofty praise.
He did say gator skinsso.....🤷
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The Gravelking also comes in a slick version and from what I'm reading of the reviews online it may be a rival to my Continental Gatorskins.
Nope, sorry. I've used both and they couldn't be more different. Panaracer GK slicks do ride wonderfully, but wear out very quickly. I was getting about 1000-1200 mile a tire (on 700 x 38's) until they were worn through. That's rotating front to back over 4 tires. That is with tubes, BTW.
I have a set of Gatorskin 700 x 28's that have been on a couple different wheelsets on a couple different bikes and they must have at least 4000 miles on them.
Also, the ride feel is night and day.
I would not buy the Gravel King slicks expecting them to be a long-wearing road tire. And do not expect them to have adequate puncture protection for roads with a lot od debris.
My 2 cents.
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you could use concrete tires and get a more comfortable ride than Gatorskins
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There's mixed opinion among actual tubeless users that want high performance tires and who regularly got flats caused by small punctures? That's news to me.
Their main complaint concerns periodic sealant work and fixing punctures out in the road that the sealant was unable to seal.

Some have converted back to tubed because of it.
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Originally Posted by cubewheels View Post
Their main complaint concerns periodic sealant work
HTFU - if you're high-mileage, you're still spending less than 10 minutes on it every 4-6 weeks.

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and fixing punctures out in the road that the sealant was unable to seal.

Some have converted back to tubed because of it.
Dollars to doughnuts, 50% of those people were using Stan's and 40% never tried tubeless themselves. But hey, if you want listen to people that don't know what they're doing rather than those that a) understand the cases in which it would be beneficial and b) how to properly get it done, have fun and enjoy riding horrible armored tires.
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Originally Posted by bargo68 View Post
Nope, sorry. I've used both and they couldn't be more different. Panaracer GK slicks do ride wonderfully, but wear out very quickly. I was getting about 1000-1200 mile a tire (on 700 x 38's) until they were worn through. That's rotating front to back over 4 tires. That is with tubes, BTW.
I have a set of Gatorskin 700 x 28's that have been on a couple different wheelsets on a couple different bikes and they must have at least 4000 miles on them.
Also, the ride feel is night and day.
I would not buy the Gravel King slicks expecting them to be a long-wearing road tire. And do not expect them to have adequate puncture protection for roads with a lot od debris.
My 2 cents.
Great insight, thanks! I've been amazed at the longevity of Gatorskins but had no idea they could last 4000 miles!

Too bad about the Panaracer's not lasting. I'll take that under consideration when it comes time to replace the Gatorskins - in a few years

BTW, Panaracer keeps releasing new versions of the GravelKing. I think some are specifically for more flat protection.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
HTFU - if you're high-mileage, you're still spending less than 10 minutes on it every 4-6 weeks.



Dollars to doughnuts, 50% of those people were using Stan's and 40% never tried tubeless themselves. But hey, if you want listen to people that don't know what they're doing rather than those that a) understand the cases in which it would be beneficial and b) how to properly get it done, have fun and enjoy riding horrible armored tires.
This.

A lot of posters who've had bad experiences with tubeless (or who have refused to even try it) seem to not understand how to do it...Which is amazing, given the million webpages and blogs and videos with titles like "Tubeless Tire Tutorial."
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Originally Posted by Branko D View Post
There's GP5000s for that, all around tire which has a puncture protection layer which works well, rolls well and grip is good in all sorts of conditions.

If it's not good enough, I'd try that in tubeless, and if that wasn't good enough, either, I would try to move out of Mogadishu.
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I'm currently trying out Vittoria Corsa Speed tubeless tires which are slightly more on the "fast but impractical" side of the spectrum (still planning to use them for IM Barcelona if it happens and a few ultraendurance rides I have planned, but a bit fragile and wet grip isn't up to the task of all around all weather use - I got a bit of road rash today pushing them on the wet) , but Gatorskins and Gravelkings are excessive for road use.
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A puncture isn't the end of the world anyway, but I would be highly surprised that you would get them with any regularity at all using one of the top shelf "all around" road tires, especially if ran tubeless.
I was under the impression that the GP5000 was a race tire. I do NOT race but can appreciate performance
If the price is right I may look into this
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Originally Posted by ls01 View Post
He did say gator skinsso.....🤷
Not picking on you but I don't understand the hate for Gatorskins on this board. I wonder if people have tried them at reduced pressures as it made a HUGE difference for the better in terms of ride quality for me.

I am not a racer but for weekend warrior riding I'm quite happy with 700x28 Gatorskins at about 70psi (I'm 150lbs). I'm sure there are better tires out there, but for training and just enjoying the weekend on non pristine roads I am very impressed with them for the money.

Flats aren't the end of the world, but given a choice I will pick puncture protection in a tire every time.
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Originally Posted by Koyote View Post
This.

A lot of posters who've had bad experiences with tubeless (or who have refused to even try it) seem to not understand how to do it...Which is amazing, given the million webpages and blogs and videos with titles like "Tubeless Tire Tutorial."
I blame Stans sealant for the majority of road tubeless issues...Everyone I know that has tried it in that application has had issues...I am primarily an MTBer so when I converted my road bike to tubeless, I went with Stans cause it is what I used on my MTB. It was absolute garbage at road pressures...I switched to Orange Seal and have had great luck since...In fact, I just built up a new set of tubeless wheels today with Orange Seal and GP5000TLs. It was as easy as setting up a MTB...
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Originally Posted by Symox View Post
I was under the impression that the GP5000 was a race tire.
It is, but one with a puncture protection layer. Generally race tires without a puncture protection layer are marked or marketed as timetrial tires (examples; Continental Supersonic, Vittoria Corsa Speed, Schwalbe Pro One TT, Michelin Power TT), while road race tires (such as the GP5000, Schwalbe Pro One, Vittoria Corsa, etc) do have a puncture protection layer underneath the thread; this makes them a slight bit heavier and often the rolling resistance is slightly higher, but not by much while the puncture protection is much improved.

If you take one of those in tubeless, it's exceedingly unlikely to flat.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
The tubeless Eagle F1 hasn't fared very well in terms of rolling resistance (both real-world and drum testing) vs direct competition, so I took them off of my short list of tires to try. Too bad - I dig the brand/labeling and the tan sidewalls.
Goodyear probably baited car racing fans with this tire, shouldve stayed as a car racing tire I guess.
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Originally Posted by czero8 View Post
Goodyear probably baited car racing fans with this tire, shouldve stayed as a car racing tire I guess.
Uh, okay. The non-tubeless, regular clinchers are supposed to be pretty good, so I would simply suspect that their first effort in a high performance tubeless tire fell a short.
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