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Addiction LXXIX

Old 08-10-20, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by abshipp View Post
The local MUP is actually in worse shape than the roads around here
Of course, don't you listen when drivers buzz you - cyclists don't pay any taxes for infrastructure.
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Of course, don't you listen when drivers buzz you - cyclists don't pay any taxes for infrastructure.
Idea: Toll MUP
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol View Post
Idea: Toll MUP
Promising, but where do MUP Trolls fit in?
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Old 08-10-20, 11:15 AM
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Idea: Toll MUP
If I was in charge of setting MUP tolls I think I'd base it on tyre width. Really hammer fat bikes and gravel bikes because they're bad.
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Originally Posted by big john View Post
Expansion cracks on a descent are awful. Worse are the little peaks across the road, the ones that launch you off the surface. The worst expansion cracks I know are in the Eastern Sierra, descending a steep road and slamming into them every few seconds is just bone jarring. Mostly I just wanted to post a picture from there.

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Originally Posted by abshipp View Post
Correct.

On the last longer ride I did there was a ~25mph descent on a road so rough I was legitimately concerned to be on 43 year old steel. The bike and I made it, but there are some really terrible roads here. I can deal with a rough road surface okay, it's the damn expansion cracks that produce a large jarring shock through the handlebars every 15 feet or so. There's one road in particular that has them for a good mile straight.
Around here, it's two things. First is that a lot of the roads need maintenance. Broken asphalt surface is bad enough, but then there are the places where a part has come up and you have a pothole. Second is that when they DO resurface the road, it's often rougher than it was before. The surface reminds me of that 'textured' plaster they used to do on top of sheet rock back in the 70s and 80s. It causes constant buzz through the tires, frame and bars, and you find yourself desperately seeking the smoothest line. Over a few years, it all smooths out as tires sweep over it.

Then they resurface again.
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol View Post
If I was in charge of setting MUP tolls I think I'd base it on tyre width. Really hammer fat bikes and gravel bikes because they're bad.
I'd base a toll on rider poundage just to get those fatties back on the couch.
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It's clearly "a thing," and there are some interesting new data on how it and some related phenomena might work, but I don't know much about the practice, per se. Why are you asking?
"Oh, no reason. But isn't this pocket watch I'm dangling here interesting? See how it goes back and forth, back and forth, back and forth..... Kinda relaxing, isn't it?....."
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You're a big guy, Big John
Not as big as I used to be.
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I'd base a toll on rider poundage just to get those fatties back on the couch.
No kids or dog walking allowed, obviously.
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol View Post
If I was in charge of setting MUP tolls I think I'd base it on tyre width. Really hammer fat bikes and gravel bikes because they're bad.
But they have lower pressure contact points, so they probably subject the surface to less and tear.

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Originally Posted by Velo Vol View Post
No kids or dog walking allowed, obviously.
Obviously.
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I'd base a toll on rider poundage just to get those fatties back on the couch.
D'oh!
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i'd base a toll on rider poundage just to get those fatties back on the couch.
hey!
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Originally Posted by abshipp View Post
The road conditions annoy me to, but there's no escaping it. Road maintenance out in the country seems to be limited to dumping a layer of fine gravel on top of them every year or two.

The local MUP is actually in worse shape than the roads around here
By the looks of things, general deterioration of infrastructure is in the future. With four more years, Mexico could give the US a run for the money in that department. Our traffic load is a tiny proportion if yours.
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol View Post
No kids or dog walking allowed, obviously.
Good luck with that.
Ever notice how a family, no matter how small, can fan out and obstruct an entire MUP?
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Originally Posted by big john View Post
Good luck with that.
Ever notice how a family, no matter how small, can fan out and obstruct an entire MUP?
I'm also seeing this with families on bicycles on the roads, which is a bit more frightening given, you know, CARS.
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When I toured in Spain the best meal I had was a half a grilled rabbit in onion sauce with roasted potatoes.
In Mallorca, I had something similar and also a sort of fancy stew.
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Good luck with that.
Ever notice how a family, no matter how small, can fan out and obstruct an entire MUP?
Ever notice how a family, no matter how small, can fan out and obstruct an entire aisle in Costco or Aldis?
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Ever notice how a family, no matter how small, can fan out and obstruct an entire aisle in Costco or Aldis?
Costco is *made* for wide.... shopping carts... yet I still spend half of my time there waiting for people to get out of the way.
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Originally Posted by genejockey View Post
Around here, it's two things. First is that a lot of the roads need maintenance. Broken asphalt surface is bad enough, but then there are the places where a part has come up and you have a pothole. Second is that when they DO resurface the road, it's often rougher than it was before. The surface reminds me of that 'textured' plaster they used to do on top of sheet rock back in the 70s and 80s. It causes constant buzz through the tires, frame and bars, and you find yourself desperately seeking the smoothest line. Over a few years, it all smooths out as tires sweep over it.

Then they resurface again.
If a road is getting resurfaced around here it's typically blacktop. One of my regular routes has a couple of miles that were recently resurfaced and it's smooth as silk

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By the looks of things, general deterioration of infrastructure is in the future. With four more years, Mexico could give the US a run for the money in that department. Our traffic load is a tiny proportion if yours.
Yep, everything's crumbling. I'm glad I don't live below a dam.

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