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Group ride competition
I'm looking for ideas on how to incorporate safe/friendly competition into a group ride. I participate in a large group ride (15-25 riders) on Saturdays, average 22mph over 47 miles. There are 2 places where an informal sprint breaks out - at the halfway point and at the end. The problem is that this has gotten out of hand with sprinters ignoring traffic, riding 3 abreast at times, passing slower riders on both sides, etc etc. Last week 2 sprinters collided and one ended up in the hospital.
I'm looking for ideas on how to satisfy the urge for a little friendly competition, but keep things safe. Thinking of having a "chase group" start AFTER the main group, with the idea that they will work TOGETHER to catch the main group. All the sprinter/racer wannabees can go with the chase group.
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I'm looking for ideas on how to satisfy the urge for a little friendly competition, but keep things safe. Thinking of having a "chase group" start AFTER the main group, with the idea that they will work TOGETHER to catch the main group. All the sprinter/racer wannabees can go with the chase group.
Any ideas?
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Chasing and sprinting are two different things. You can't control the big T in cyclists. Guys who want to show their stuff will not be dissuaded. 22 mph for 47 miles is elite enough riding that you are not going to manage folks style. If that is the kind of riding you like to do with such a group, I am afraid you are stuck with the unattractive features.
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we do a little of that on our Friday easy ride... there is a sprint point, informal, of course. What happens is those who want to go, go. Those who don't, just sit back and let the others ride off. Regroup at the next stop sign and continue on to the finish.
Maybe find a regroup point shortly after the mid-ride sprint and the group comes back together? Then those who feel it is getting a bit squirrely can just hang back and don't feel the need to try to hang with the sprint.
I suspect the crash will serve the purpose to remind all on the ride of the dangers we face and will likely temper the rogue sprinters just a bit anyway.
Maybe find a regroup point shortly after the mid-ride sprint and the group comes back together? Then those who feel it is getting a bit squirrely can just hang back and don't feel the need to try to hang with the sprint.
I suspect the crash will serve the purpose to remind all on the ride of the dangers we face and will likely temper the rogue sprinters just a bit anyway.
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Start your competition going up a hill. People will separate pretty quickly and will be too whipped to sprint at the finish.
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I'd suggest formalizing the sprint zones, i.e. marking off the roadway with paint-- or maybe a roadside tree-- for the start/finish of each zone. In this way, *you* can select safe stretches of road and reduce things getting too aggro too early, and from staying aggro too late, to the point they happen in risky areas like approaching intersections and poor quality stretches of road.
Another inducement might be to have any rider who might want to contest a sprint bring a cycling related knick-knack to throw in a prize box, from which the winners of the sprints can choose every week. The idea there is that hitting that sprint finish line becomes all the more significant, rather than having the sprinting group start up/shut down at random.
We used to run a group like this when I was riding in a group up in the Lansing area back in the early '90s, and we'd pitch in stuff like tubes, cheap bar tape, unwanted saddles, Powerbars, tour T shirts, and stuff like that; anything, really, and just for fun.
Another inducement might be to have any rider who might want to contest a sprint bring a cycling related knick-knack to throw in a prize box, from which the winners of the sprints can choose every week. The idea there is that hitting that sprint finish line becomes all the more significant, rather than having the sprinting group start up/shut down at random.
We used to run a group like this when I was riding in a group up in the Lansing area back in the early '90s, and we'd pitch in stuff like tubes, cheap bar tape, unwanted saddles, Powerbars, tour T shirts, and stuff like that; anything, really, and just for fun.
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You can pass riders on any side you like. There is no rule about this.
Designate a sprint point and riders should be able to go whenever they see fit. Telling someone they can't jump from 800m out is just silly. Them doing it is another matter.
Pick your sprint points based on the safest location and let people know before hand. Also explain to them WHY.
If riders continue to ride in a reckless fashion sit up and let them ride away. Ride with those left with you. Problem solved.
You can't control idjits nor should you try. I speak from both sides of that one...smilie face.
Designate a sprint point and riders should be able to go whenever they see fit. Telling someone they can't jump from 800m out is just silly. Them doing it is another matter.
Pick your sprint points based on the safest location and let people know before hand. Also explain to them WHY.
If riders continue to ride in a reckless fashion sit up and let them ride away. Ride with those left with you. Problem solved.
You can't control idjits nor should you try. I speak from both sides of that one...smilie face.
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That's a good point of clarification. Yes, people can go as hard as they want whenever, but we used to set the zone start mark 3/4mi out from the finish, which gave those who didn't want to contest the finish the signal to drop back and get out of the way before things got too hot, which does increase safety.
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Thanks for the replies - good thoughts all. We do have natural starting spots for the sprints. I think the thing to do is ask anyone not sprinting to fall back just prior to those points. Then the sprinters can have at it. I still like the chase-group idea and will see if I can talk a few others into laying back with me, then chasing. That would be fun and still satisfy the testo itch.
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And as BDop said, just let the people that are unsafe in traffic go. When no one chases they'll get the message.
3 abreast. And the problem is? This is normal behavior. If you don't want to be in that mix, don't contest the sprint.
Passing on both sides. Again normal behavior. Most competitive group rides this is totally to be expected, an no one freaks about it.
One ended up in the hospital. Very unfortunate, but a known assumed risk. Again if you don't want to contest the sprint, don't.
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That's a good point of clarification. Yes, people can go as hard as they want whenever, but we used to set the zone start mark 3/4mi out from the finish, which gave those who didn't want to contest the finish the signal to drop back and get out of the way before things got too hot, which does increase safety.
Don't want to contest the sprint? Just don't start ramping up your speed when the fight for position starts and let yourself fall off the back.
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Yep - safety is the issue. Thanks for the suggestions.
That's a good point of clarification. Yes, people can go as hard as they want whenever, but we used to set the zone start mark 3/4mi out from the finish, which gave those who didn't want to contest the finish the signal to drop back and get out of the way before things got too hot, which does increase safety.
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The local club used to have a once-a-month time trial on a convenient 7-mile loop out on the course. Ride out there, do the time trial, ride back.
Great if you can get any interest.
Main problem is if you have the same people participating, you may also have the same people winning all the time.
Great if you can get any interest.
Main problem is if you have the same people participating, you may also have the same people winning all the time.
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Thanks for the replies - good thoughts all. We do have natural starting spots for the sprints. I think the thing to do is ask anyone not sprinting to fall back just prior to those points. Then the sprinters can have at it. I still like the chase-group idea and will see if I can talk a few others into laying back with me, then chasing. That would be fun and still satisfy the testo itch.
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Maybe if you guys think of it like how they do those 1km markers in the Tour de France or Giro, it makes a little more sense? There's more than one way to skin a cat, that's for sure, but the concept of giving people a distance-to-go indicator shouldn't be that hard to get your mind around, I don't think.
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When the pace begins to get ramped up in the sprint zones many are anticipating the surge and begin to jockey for position. Most are good at holding their line and not doing anything unexpected, but when someone sees a wheel go by and needs to jump to go around someone to get on that wheel, things can go to sht very quickly. Some careless riders don't even bother to see if there's room to make the sudden shift, and this is where problems begin when things get bunched up. The main message should be to hold your line and don't do anything unexpected. If I see the final sprint getting too sketchy, I'm backing off. Let them have it. It's not worth a trip in the ambulance.
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Thanks for the replies - good thoughts all. We do have natural starting spots for the sprints. I think the thing to do is ask anyone not sprinting to fall back just prior to those points. Then the sprinters can have at it. I still like the chase-group idea and will see if I can talk a few others into laying back with me, then chasing. That would be fun and still satisfy the testo itch.
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Why not just join a club and participate in club racing?
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Thanks for the replies - good thoughts all. We do have natural starting spots for the sprints. I think the thing to do is ask anyone not sprinting to fall back just prior to those points. Then the sprinters can have at it. I still like the chase-group idea and will see if I can talk a few others into laying back with me, then chasing. That would be fun and still satisfy the testo itch.
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I'd say everyone pair up. Ride like bloody hell. Lead outs, hand slings, jamming tools, anything goes.