Shogun 200: Is it supposed to look like that?
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Shogun 200: Is it supposed to look like that?
I finally got around to cleaning my bike, since I knew nothing about bike maintenance until recently and my LBS didn't mention that I might want to strip all that gunk off my chain and gears. I noticed that some of the prongs are shorter than others. I compared it to my husband's Giant Sedona and my Ironman and neither of them have this "feature" (defect?).
Attached is the picture after 2 cleaning passes to illustrate what I'm talking about. Also attached is a photo of what it looked like when I got it back from my LBS after a "tune-up". I still have at least one more cleaning pass to go on the bike.
My other issue is when I lower the shifter on the right side, if I go too far, I can completely derail the chain--can I adjust so that doesn't happen or just be more careful?
Attached is the picture after 2 cleaning passes to illustrate what I'm talking about. Also attached is a photo of what it looked like when I got it back from my LBS after a "tune-up". I still have at least one more cleaning pass to go on the bike.
My other issue is when I lower the shifter on the right side, if I go too far, I can completely derail the chain--can I adjust so that doesn't happen or just be more careful?
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Are you saying that you had a bike shop "tune" your bike, and that it can still overshift on one side of the rear cogs? Take it back to them. There are two screws on each derailleur that are adjusted to limit travel to just meet the outer and inner alignment points. The bike shop should have checked these first.
As for cleaning, unless you paid the shop for this, any cleaning that they did is a benefit to you. You should keep your bike clean and well lubricated on your own. It's part of operation, just like pumping up the tires.
As for cleaning, unless you paid the shop for this, any cleaning that they did is a benefit to you. You should keep your bike clean and well lubricated on your own. It's part of operation, just like pumping up the tires.
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Is the op defining "prongs" as teeth on the 5-speed rear cluster?
If the chain doesn't skip, it's probably fine.
If the chain doesn't skip, it's probably fine.
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As Phil says I would take it back to the shop and ask them to adjust the limit screws on the derailleur. Those are meant to stop the chain from shifting entirely off the freewheel. This should be one of the basic things they do as part of any tune up. Giving the bike a decent cleaning is also generally what's included in a basic tune up. I'm surprised whoever completed the "tune-up" didn't degrease your freewheel cogs a little bit, and at least get the built-up gunk off your derailleur pulleys. I'd be skeptical they touched the drivetrain at all if that's what your derailleur, chain, and freewheel came away looking like in the second picture. I'd take it back and show them the picture. As a former service mechanic I'd call that unacceptable.
Regarding the "short" teeth on the big cog there - that is normal and there by design. The theory was it helps the chain engage the large cog when shifting into it, normally a somewhat difficult shift due to the size of the last cog.
Lastly - nice job cleaning that area up. Just be wary with using a lot of degreaser around the freewheel - there are a lot of bearings inside the freewheel and inside the rear hub that need grease, and spraying that area down with a ton of degreaser or soapy water or solvent might dissolve some of the grease. I'll generally take the freewheel off the hub if I want to deep clean it.
Regarding the "short" teeth on the big cog there - that is normal and there by design. The theory was it helps the chain engage the large cog when shifting into it, normally a somewhat difficult shift due to the size of the last cog.
Lastly - nice job cleaning that area up. Just be wary with using a lot of degreaser around the freewheel - there are a lot of bearings inside the freewheel and inside the rear hub that need grease, and spraying that area down with a ton of degreaser or soapy water or solvent might dissolve some of the grease. I'll generally take the freewheel off the hub if I want to deep clean it.
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Maybe not directly relevant to your question, but it looks like your derailleur hanger is missing the bolt that holds it in the dropout. It shouldn’t be held on just by the axle nut. The way it is now it can end up in a slightly different position if you take the wheel off and put it back on, which could affect the shifting and limit adjustments.
For example this is an image of a derailleur hanger with the appropriate hardware: https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/gear-spa...acket/?geoc=US
The funny shaped thing on the back slides into the dropout and the bolt holds everything in place.
For example this is an image of a derailleur hanger with the appropriate hardware: https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/gear-spa...acket/?geoc=US
The funny shaped thing on the back slides into the dropout and the bolt holds everything in place.
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And yes, as mentioned, your derailleur hanger is missing a bolt and nut. I may have a spare. PM me your address and I will send you one if I have it.
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As Phil says I would take it back to the shop and ask them to adjust the limit screws on the derailleur. Those are meant to stop the chain from shifting entirely off the freewheel. This should be one of the basic things they do as part of any tune up. Giving the bike a decent cleaning is also generally what's included in a basic tune up. I'm surprised whoever completed the "tune-up" didn't degrease your freewheel cogs a little bit, and at least get the built-up gunk off your derailleur pulleys. I'd be skeptical they touched the drivetrain at all if that's what your derailleur, chain, and freewheel came away looking like in the second picture. I'd take it back and show them the picture. As a former service mechanic I'd call that unacceptable.
Regarding the "short" teeth on the big cog there - that is normal and there by design. The theory was it helps the chain engage the large cog when shifting into it, normally a somewhat difficult shift due to the size of the last cog.
Lastly - nice job cleaning that area up. Just be wary with using a lot of degreaser around the freewheel - there are a lot of bearings inside the freewheel and inside the rear hub that need grease, and spraying that area down with a ton of degreaser or soapy water or solvent might dissolve some of the grease. I'll generally take the freewheel off the hub if I want to deep clean it.
Regarding the "short" teeth on the big cog there - that is normal and there by design. The theory was it helps the chain engage the large cog when shifting into it, normally a somewhat difficult shift due to the size of the last cog.
Lastly - nice job cleaning that area up. Just be wary with using a lot of degreaser around the freewheel - there are a lot of bearings inside the freewheel and inside the rear hub that need grease, and spraying that area down with a ton of degreaser or soapy water or solvent might dissolve some of the grease. I'll generally take the freewheel off the hub if I want to deep clean it.
As for the LBS...I'm not going back. Besides the condition of the drivetrain, he missed that my tire sidewalls were peeling and told me I was good to go and the bike didn't need anything. I just don't trust him. He missed a little too much for me to think the tuneup was worth the money--I'm not sure he did anything.
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Maybe not directly relevant to your question, but it looks like your derailleur hanger is missing the bolt that holds it in the dropout. It shouldn’t be held on just by the axle nut. The way it is now it can end up in a slightly different position if you take the wheel off and put it back on, which could affect the shifting and limit adjustments.
For example this is an image of a derailleur hanger with the appropriate hardware: https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/gear-spa...acket/?geoc=US
The funny shaped thing on the back slides into the dropout and the bolt holds everything in place.
For example this is an image of a derailleur hanger with the appropriate hardware: https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/gear-spa...acket/?geoc=US
The funny shaped thing on the back slides into the dropout and the bolt holds everything in place.
I think the threads are in both the claw and the frame on some, and just in the frame on others, right?
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A lot of people get confused by the fact that properly attaching the claw places it in such a way that the axle cannot be moved all the way back in the dropout. They expect the claw to go farther back, so they do weird things like putting the bolt into a fender mount hole.
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These are the parts:
The smaller diameter section of the nut goes in the axle slot of the dropout. The bolt goes through the small hole in the claw.
I have several - will send one for free.
The smaller diameter section of the nut goes in the axle slot of the dropout. The bolt goes through the small hole in the claw.
I have several - will send one for free.
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Actually, the bolt threads into a nut that looks like a nearly flat washer (look at the reverse view of the one for sale in the link). The nut/disc thing sits on the back side of the dropout so when the bolt is tight, the nut and the derailleur squeeze the dropout and hold the claw in place, even if you remove the wheel. With the wheel in place, you have two points of attachment for the claw, so it can't rotate.
A lot of people get confused by the fact that properly attaching the claw places it in such a way that the axle cannot be moved all the way back in the dropout. They expect the claw to go farther back, so they do weird things like putting the bolt into a fender mount hole.
A lot of people get confused by the fact that properly attaching the claw places it in such a way that the axle cannot be moved all the way back in the dropout. They expect the claw to go farther back, so they do weird things like putting the bolt into a fender mount hole.
This is current.
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That's awesome, thank you! The back nut isn't exactly what we have. We went with what we could get quick because he didn't want to reassemble the bike without the missing nut there in some fashion. Right now the part won't shift around, but if we remove the wheel it will fall off. I have a training ride and run tomorrow, so I needed it put back together.
Everything else looks kosher in my picture? We cleaned and repacked the hub yesterday. It rides better than it ever has.
Everything else looks kosher in my picture? We cleaned and repacked the hub yesterday. It rides better than it ever has.
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As far as I can tell it looks fine. I've had good experiences with freewheels like yours - nice shifting if all else is up to par.
Double check that the limit screws are set to prevent you from shifting the chain past the last cog.
Good luck with your training.
Double check that the limit screws are set to prevent you from shifting the chain past the last cog.
Good luck with your training.
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Would that have started suddenly? It seems like it wasn't slipping from gear to gear until recently. I haven't dumped it, but I was quite a bit slower before I got to know the bike and started pushing it. Or might it still be chain and pushing it made the problem manifest?
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Would that have started suddenly? It seems like it wasn't slipping from gear to gear until recently. I haven't dumped it, but I was quite a bit slower before I got to know the bike and started pushing it. Or might it still be chain and pushing it made the problem manifest?
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Thanks for the suggestion. I'll adjust the derailleurs and then see if it's still slipping. If it is, I'll get a chain for my next step.
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How big's that large cog? At 32 and over, you're maybe pushing the limits of that derailleur.