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Welp, unless you're a flyweight that should have been on Light Actions, there was something wrong with the install.
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They also have a bad naming / visual scheme. There are three+ versions of road cleats/pedel systems that look alike all named basically the same thing.
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Those I ride with who are on single-sided pedals all seem to have issues getting clipped in as we move away from the lights etc.
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Please, please, please, Wahoo, make a cleat based Speedplay power meter!
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Has anyone tried to build a power meter into the spindle? That's where I'd prefer it be, if it could be figured out how to get to be a bulbous thing below the spindle after it's screwed into the crankarm.
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Pedals are easier to move from one bike to the next, than SP cleats would be moving from one pair of shoes to another.
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Personally, I'd love the cleat option and, as there are already multiple pedal-based options, it might be a nice differentiator.
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What's the use case where you have multiple shoes for the same pedal system and you want/need to be able to choose between them? Winter shoes/boots come to mind, but those aren't really conditions where I feel SP is suitable, anyway. Kit matchy-matchy considerations?
Personally, I'd love the cleat option and, as there are already multiple pedal-based options, it might be a nice differentiator.
Personally, I'd love the cleat option and, as there are already multiple pedal-based options, it might be a nice differentiator.
Though if had I had eg. 3 bikes, I'd move my speedplay pedals to the bike I wanted to use, especially presuming pedals with power meter integrated would add hundreds of dollars to the already not cheap pedals. I'd prefer to move one pair of pedals to the bike I want to use on a given day, than move cleats from from one pair of shoes to another on any given day. Especially as highlighted.. cleats are a wear item (at least much faster than the pedals themselves), so also wouldn't want disposable power meters.
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Cleats are a wear item anyway, so it's like eg. chains.. I can't imagine buying one chain and swapping between bikes each time I want to ride a different bike than the time before. In the medium term it's a wash on the total expenditure.
...cleats are a wear item (at least much faster than the pedals themselves), so also wouldn't want disposable power meters.
...cleats are a wear item (at least much faster than the pedals themselves), so also wouldn't want disposable power meters.
Though if had I had eg. 3 bikes, I'd move my speedplay pedals to the bike I wanted to use, especially presuming pedals with power meter integrated would add hundreds of dollars to the already not cheap pedals. I'd prefer to move one pair of pedals to the bike I want to use on a given day, than move cleats from from one pair of shoes to another on any given day.
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Some people keep old shoes for when it rains. Or you could have one pair dedicated to the trainer bike while the another pair sits in your gear bag. Or maybe you want BOAs on your road shoes but laces on your track shoes.
And both Speedplay pedals and cleats are wear items. The pedal bodies wear a lot slower than the cleats, but they do wear and need to be replace.
And both Speedplay pedals and cleats are wear items. The pedal bodies wear a lot slower than the cleats, but they do wear and need to be replace.
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Some people keep old shoes for when it rains. Or you could have one pair dedicated to the trainer bike while the another pair sits in your gear bag. Or maybe you want BOAs on your road shoes but laces on your track shoes.
And both Speedplay pedals and cleats are wear items. The pedal bodies wear a lot slower than the cleats, but they do wear and need to be replace.
And both Speedplay pedals and cleats are wear items. The pedal bodies wear a lot slower than the cleats, but they do wear and need to be replace.
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What's the use case where you have multiple shoes for the same pedal system and you want/need to be able to choose between them? Winter shoes/boots come to mind, but those aren't really conditions where I feel SP is suitable, anyway. Kit matchy-matchy considerations?
Personally, I'd love the cleat option and, as there are already multiple pedal-based options, it might be a nice differentiator.
Personally, I'd love the cleat option and, as there are already multiple pedal-based options, it might be a nice differentiator.
I think your argument that there are already pedal based PMs and a cleat based one would be different and sell because of it, is a good one.
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IOW, you don't need market differentiation, because speedplay mount is already the differentiator.
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I understand the argument, though of course no existing pedal-based PM exists for SP; hence no SP user owns a pedal-based PM. The likely reason because they like their SP pedals too much and if they want a PM, have opted for another style (eg crank-based like I did).
IOW, you don't need market differentiation, because speedplay mount is already the differentiator.
IOW, you don't need market differentiation, because speedplay mount is already the differentiator.
There are, without a doubt, some people with pedal-based PMs that would prefer a SP power option; I prefer SP, but when I was shopping for a PM, that by no means eliminated Favero/Garmin/PowerTap from the search. Price and full/dual-side power were higher on the priorities than SP compatibility.
There are also, without a doubt, some people that would consider switching over to SP, from another pedal platform, if their power meter could move from bike-to-bike with their shoes. If SP comes out with a cleat-based option, I will undoubtedly buy it. I'll move my crank-based meter to the gravel/winter bike (where SPDs make more sense) and SPs will go on the road bikes (currently just the Domane, but itching for a WW and/or aero bike) with shared PM shoes/cleats between them.
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That's some silly speculation and logic.
There are, without a doubt, some people with pedal-based PMs that would prefer a SP power option; I prefer SP, but when I was shopping for a PM, that by no means eliminated Favero/Garmin/PowerTap from the search. Price and full/dual-side power were higher on the priorities than SP compatibility.
There are, without a doubt, some people with pedal-based PMs that would prefer a SP power option; I prefer SP, but when I was shopping for a PM, that by no means eliminated Favero/Garmin/PowerTap from the search. Price and full/dual-side power were higher on the priorities than SP compatibility.
I'm not sure why you think that while it's likely some people have bought pedal-based PMs that would have preferred a SP option, there are not also folks who preferred SP option to a degree that they chose to buy a different type of PM system (eg. crank or wheel hub, etc)?
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It's not speculation to say speedplay users who have a power meter, do not have pedal-based power meters. It's not speculation to say that I myself opted for a crank-based power meter, because I didn't fancy changing my pedal system to something I haven't tried, and replacing cleats on 3 pairs of shoes to do so. You may however, maintain that I made a silly decision, but I beg to differ.
I'm not sure why you think that while it's likely some people have bought pedal-based PMs that would have preferred a SP option, there are not also folks who preferred SP option to a degree that they chose to buy a different type of PM system (eg. crank or wheel hub, etc)?
I'm not sure why you think that while it's likely some people have bought pedal-based PMs that would have preferred a SP option, there are not also folks who preferred SP option to a degree that they chose to buy a different type of PM system (eg. crank or wheel hub, etc)?
You seem to think that every SP user is exclusively an SP user. Not the case.
You seem to think that I called your decision silly. Not the case.
You seem to think that I asserted that no SP user has chosen a PM with SP compatibility as an overriding concern. Not the case.
Three strikes - you're not out, but I'm done with you on this.
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The new walkable cleats are amazing compared to the old design. My GF uses them because she likes the dual sided clip in, I do all the setup and service every few months and they keep chugging along. The older design worked best with keep on covers to keep some dirt/grime out but they can last 10,000+ miles if taken care of
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How much walking around are you doing in them and through what? They are still road cleats and meant to be used minimally. I don't even know anyone that keeps the center caps. If the covers are peeling off they probably weren't installed correctly, the corners have ridged inserts that hold the cover in place
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FWIW, I just bought my second set of replacement covers. Both of the previous sets were put through hell before finally losing one of the two (I lost one shouldering my bike through gravel/dirt at a construction site and I think that the other one was lost when walking around during an Oktoberfest). One kind of smooshed out of shape from a fair bit of walking, but it still held on for months longer before finally giving up. The other was with no warning, but still not terribly surprising, given the conditions.
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How much walking around are you doing in them and through what? They are still road cleats and meant to be used minimally. I don't even know anyone that keeps the center caps. If the covers are peeling off they probably weren't installed correctly, the corners have ridged inserts that hold the cover in place