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Old 09-04-20, 11:16 AM
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Types of Maillard Freewheels/tools

I'm curious if anyone knows a little bit about the freewheels that each of the tools below fit. I've seen them both advertised as Maillard freewheel tools. One has 24 splines, the other looks like 16. Were the freewheels these fit exclusive to French bikes? Were they all French threaded? Which design came first? Are there any other Maillard freewheels that neither of these tools fit? I've read up some on the Maillard history including growth during WW2, decline in the 70's due to their helicomatic hub, but haven't found a solid reference for the various freewheel tools. Thanks.

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Look up Maillard Helicomatic for one these tools don't fit.
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Aris was the end of the line for Maillard they adopted the later Shimano thin wall spline remover,
SRAM Bought out SAchs and the rest of the group dissolved..
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Some Maillard/Atom/Normandy (different brands from the same company) freewheels were available in either metric or English thread, so they could be used on many manufacturer's bikes. Schwinn used Maillard/Normandy freewheels on their bikes for many years.

The really old Maillard freewheels used the same two-notch system as Regina. This later changed to a splined system shared by Zeus, Everest, and others. Schwinn used some Maillard/Normandy freewheels with a larger splined diameter. After Sachs purchased Maillard, they adopted the Shimano spline pattern. But none of my Maillard tools look like the ones in your picture.
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Originally Posted by JohnDThompson
Some Maillard/Atom/Normandy (different brands from the same company) freewheels were available in either metric or English thread, so they could be used on many manufacturer's bikes. Schwinn used Maillard/Normandy freewheels on their bikes for many years.

The really old Maillard freewheels used the same two-notch system as Regina. This later changed to a splined system shared by Zeus, Everest, and others. Schwinn used some Maillard/Normandy freewheels with a larger splined diameter. After Sachs purchased Maillard, they adopted the Shimano spline pattern. But none of my Maillard tools look like the ones in your picture.
That's interesting to know about the threading. So I'm guessing the maillard freewheels that showed up on schwinns used ISO threading? The oversize schwinn tool you have there looks like it might be 24 spline...perhaps it's a slightly different look of the same tool I posted on the left? This link has a little more info on the left tool, and mentions it's used on some schwinns. The tool I posted on the right I can find almost nothing about.

Also interesting to hear there are some maillards that had shimano splines. Thanks for the reply.
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Originally Posted by crankholio
That's interesting to know about the threading. So I'm guessing the maillard freewheels that showed up on schwinns used ISO threading?
Early English thread Maillard freewheels had a small rectangular mark on the back of the body to indicate thread spec. Later production was explicitly marked with thread spec: "1.37 x 24 BSA"

The oversize schwinn tool you have there looks like it might be 24 spline...perhaps it's a slightly different look of the same tool I posted on the left? This link has a little more info on the left tool, and mentions it's used on some schwinns.
Yes, the one on the left in your picture appears to be the oversize remover used by Schwinn.

The tool I posted on the right I can find almost nothing about.
That one is a mystery. The ramped teeth don't match any freewheel spline pattern that I am familiar with.
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Originally Posted by JohnDThompson
. . .That one [on the right] is a mystery. The ramped teeth don't match any freewheel spline pattern that I am familiar with.
And unless the photo is reversed, the tool would be able to loosen a left-threaded part only. (Or tighten a right thread.) Weird.
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the mystery tool on the right is for removing the ball cup on a Shimano 3-speed hub
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These are the tools I use when working on Maillard Helliomatic

Var , Maillard, Cassette Cracker (custom made for me) company that used to make Pamir.
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Here is a cool Catalog from the 80's Milliard Heliomatic
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