BigPoser

I currently run Campy Chorus from 2014. I recently finished building my first frame and I'll be swapping my current group onto the new frame. Soooo, I will need a new group for my Fuji. I was thinking I'd get the new Chorus, but a friend of mine keeps pushing me to Ultegra or DA di2. Thinking DA is out due to cost, but Ultegra is feasible.

So, is 8050 a downgrade from Chorus? I really love Campy, and have been hesitant to go electronic, but lately I've been thinking about it.

I will also be getting a crank based PM in the process, and was going to run Praxis carbon crank with a P2M PM with the Chorus. P2M doesn't have anything for Shimano, but I supposed I could always go the same route anyway.

Thoughts and opinions welcomed, thanks.

Brandon

chaadster

So you want to put part of an old groupset, along with a new crank powermeter, on a new frame, and buy a new groupset for the old frame? What's the basic rationale there? Why not just buy the new bits you need for the new bike and new powermeter?

Marcus_Ti

Having a 2015 Chorus 11s bike and a Di2 hydro-disc Ultegra bike....the Di2 bike puts more of a grin on my face. It is more comfy (gravel.touring bike versus roadie race bike), it is more ginchy, shifts are just as quick and can be configured to have as many multiple shifts...oh and if you're on a SAG ride-wrenches always know about Shimano or have Shimano parts---forget about finding Campagnolo parts in the wilderness.

Another bit of food for thought...a Chrous 11s cassette will cost $120USD online retail on Amazon...a 105 Cassette will cost $40USD on Amazon.



Is your frame setup/drilled for Di2 already? If not, this can get messy. Measure 3 times drill once.

BigPoser

I won't be pulling bits, but the whole group from my Fuji to my newly made steel frame. When I do that, my Fuji will be bare, which is why I'll need a new group. I had a PowerTap hub in a wheelset that I just sold, so I'll need a PM since I really enjoy the benefits that a PM provide.

BigPoser

Thanks for your input. Yes, my Fuji is di2 compatible so I'm good there. Maybe there's a prestige type of thought process on my end, but when I think of Ultegra vs. Campy, I just feel like the bike would less unique. I see your point on cassette costs. I currently run an Ultegra cassette with my Chorus now and it works just fine.

I've also sadly developed a lust for some weight weenie-ish items. Do you know how much heavier Ultegra Di2 is than the mechanical version?

Marcus_Ti

I don't know the weight difference...it is probably all of half a water bottle or less.

A few other things, now that I think about it:

-Rim caliper brakes...I like Chorus skeleton brake feel/action better....at least comparing to a 6800 lever/caliper. Maybe the 8000 are different/better. But TBH, the Ultegra hydros are way better than Campy skeleton rim brakes. Power/modulation/lever-feel-they're just better.
-As far as uniqueness....depends on where you live. In My Fair City the state capitol...there's a grand total of 5 or 6 di2/eTap bikes.
-The nice thing about Di2...it just doesn't care about road grime and wet....unlike mechanical 11s drivetrains that get very fussy about housing contamination.

alcjphil

Ultegra vs Campagnolo Chorus. In my mind this is an even choice unless you are talking about DI2 which tilts the scales in favour of Shimano. A Campagnolo user will appreciate that with DI2, all levers have separate functions. As a long time(45 years) user of Campagnolo equipped bikes, I can say that I am well invested. However, I can also say that I love/hate Shimano. They make such great bicycle components for so many different types of cycling. All that said, my next dream bike will have Campgnolo 12 speed, disc brakes, and I won't look back
I will have better gearing on the uphills, and better braking on the downhills

Lazyass

I would go with Campy without even thinking about it.

brianmcg123

As far as performance you can't go wrong with either. The problem I would have would be having 2 bikes with completely incompatible groups. Can't swap cassettes or other parts as they just don't mix well unless you buy some adapters. Just not my cup of tea.

jamesdak 

This!

Dean V

Ultegra Di2. Will out perform Chorus in every way except for weight and not being "special".

fietsbob

Have a bike shop in Bakersfield with any background in high end components ?

BigPoser

So I've decided to stay with Campy. Now I need to decide which group to get. A friend of mine owns a shop and can get me really good pricing. Each option will be without a crank since I'm going to get the Praxis Zayante carbon with P2M PM (which is $1000). So I can get Chorus for $700, Record for $1000 and Chorus EPS for $1500.

BigPoser

Yeah we do have a nice shop in town that has a great rep and I've chatted with them but they say the same that others do. It seems that everyone has likes and dislikes about each, which doesn't really help me all that much.

Sy Reene

Does it have to be complete groupset for those prices, or is your friend paying piecemeal (since you're not getting the crank)? I'd do Chorus except opt for a Record FD.

JohnJ80

I have both a Di2 bike and an eTap bike. Knowing what I know now, I'd do eTap. Both are great, but it's just that much nicer in my opinion. No wires at all and it seems to shift better under load than the Ultegra Di2 that I have. I'm idly looking for someone to take my Ui2 system and then I'd go to eTap on that bike. That said, both are terrific and far more fun to ride than mech (for me).

SRAM, Shimano and Campy cassettes are all compatible on 11 speed systems for shifting and are swappable at the wheel level. Shimano and SRAM are compatible at the hub level but Campy is not. I'm guessing you probably knew that.

fietsbob

I ask because I am in a town where everything that someone needs for the current Campagnolo stuff
(or even higher end race bike anything)
is all special order .. so those who tour using that stuff on their bikes, on the Oregon coast, with small towns,

Has to hang out a few days for the parts to be ordered and shipped , specifically for them.

But our Summer Tourist economy offers rooms food and drinks* , so that's not an uncomfortable interval..

* including several Large Craft Brewery - Cafes ..

JohnJ80

I have both a Di2 bike and an eTap bike. Knowing what I know now, I'd do eTap. Both are great, but it's just that much nicer in my opinion. No wires at all and it seems to shift better under load than the Ultegra Di2 that I have. I'm idly looking for someone to take my Ui2 system and then I'd go to eTap on that bike. That said, both are terrific and far more fun to ride than mech (for me). As a one time benefit, it's also easier to install.

BigPoser

Basically piecing it together since I'm not getting the crank. Why the Record FD?

Caliwild

I have 11-speed Record mechanical and love the look and feel. For $300 extra, I'd go record, especially as you're looking to save some weight too.

Sy Reene

Probably an illusion, I like the feel and sound of the full carbon cage used in Record (and SR) vs. the lined alloy used in Chorus. And, while I can't speak to US costs, oversees the cost difference is only $20 between chorus and record
EDIT: Sorry, not a full, but rather half-carbon cage (outer half is carbon on Record).

kansukee

That's not even a question dude...stay with Campy. It's nice not having a cookie-cutter bike like most people. As far as those choices, for only $ I'd probably go with Chorus EPS.

Marcus_Ti

People have been dreaming of 105 trickle down for 4+ years, still hasn't happened.

Meanwhile the cost of 105 bikes that used to be $1500usd or so is now $3000usd or so. By the time Di2 trickles down to Tiagra, Tiagra bikes will be used-car price levels as well. ETap too will climb in price. Due to price inflation all the groupset makers are introducing crapier products with 10/9 and even 8-speed groups (the latest in 1990s tech) to even service the lower/middle price brackets as they are now.

JohnJ80

Marcus_Ti

We'll see 12 speed and probably 13 speed first.