Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Road Cycling
Reload this Page >

Best upgrades after wheels?

Search
Notices
Road Cycling “It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.” -- Ernest Hemingway

Best upgrades after wheels?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 06-18-18, 06:19 PM
  #1  
harrisonk
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Main Line, PA
Posts: 69

Bikes: Pinarello Gan RS

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 40 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Best upgrades after wheels?

What would you upgrade after wheels on a brand new high mod carbon road bike? I'm thinking about swapping out my 10+ year old entry-level Look Keo pedals for Look Keo Blade Carbon Ti, or replacing my Fizik Airone Versus Evo for a Berk composites Lupina. What would you do?

Last edited by harrisonk; 06-18-18 at 06:58 PM.
harrisonk is offline  
Old 06-18-18, 06:26 PM
  #2  
caloso
Senior Member
 
caloso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Sacramento, California, USA
Posts: 40,865

Bikes: Specialized Tarmac, Canyon Exceed, Specialized Transition, Ellsworth Roots, Ridley Excalibur

Mentioned: 68 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2952 Post(s)
Liked 3,106 Times in 1,417 Posts
I never hesitate to spend what it takes on contact points. Shoes/pedals, saddle/shorts, bars/bartape/gloves.
caloso is offline  
Old 06-18-18, 06:30 PM
  #3  
mcours2006
Senior Member
 
mcours2006's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Toronto, CANADA
Posts: 6,201

Bikes: ...a few.

Mentioned: 47 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2010 Post(s)
Liked 408 Times in 234 Posts
Originally Posted by caloso
I never hesitate to spend what it takes on contact points. Shoes/pedals, saddle/shorts, bars/bartape/gloves.
+1. That's where it'll make the biggest difference, not necessarily in performance, but enjoyment/comfort.
mcours2006 is offline  
Old 06-18-18, 06:38 PM
  #4  
rubiksoval
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Music City, USA
Posts: 4,444

Bikes: bikes

Mentioned: 52 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2622 Post(s)
Liked 1,429 Times in 711 Posts
Tubes and tires are the number one upgrade for performance.

After that, I'd go with handlebars and cranks.

Wheels would be one of the last things.
rubiksoval is offline  
Old 06-18-18, 06:55 PM
  #5  
WhyFi
Senior Member
 
WhyFi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 39,520

Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo

Mentioned: 354 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 20810 Post(s)
Liked 9,456 Times in 4,672 Posts
If your saddle and pedals already work fine, I would do something like a power meter before replacing them (assuming that you have a decent GPS head unit).
WhyFi is offline  
Old 06-18-18, 07:11 PM
  #6  
Bah Humbug
serious cyclist
 
Bah Humbug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Austin
Posts: 21,147

Bikes: S1, R2, P2

Mentioned: 115 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9334 Post(s)
Liked 3,679 Times in 2,026 Posts
If your pedals and saddle are fine, don't spend money for a lateral move. A power meter is always great if you're interested in focused training (or a GPS if you lack one somehow), tires and tubes if you're not using the best of those, and after that does any of it really make any difference?
Bah Humbug is offline  
Old 06-18-18, 07:44 PM
  #7  
TimothyH
- Soli Deo Gloria -
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Northwest Georgia
Posts: 14,779

Bikes: 2018 Rodriguez Custom Fixed Gear, 2017 Niner RLT 9 RDO, 2015 Bianchi Pista, 2002 Fuji Robaix

Mentioned: 235 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6844 Post(s)
Liked 736 Times in 469 Posts
Assuming mechanical then I'd upgrade brake calipers. Current gen Dura Ace have amazing modulation and stopping power.

After that it would be to get the best saddle I can find.


-Tim-
TimothyH is offline  
Old 06-18-18, 11:28 PM
  #8  
caloso
Senior Member
 
caloso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Sacramento, California, USA
Posts: 40,865

Bikes: Specialized Tarmac, Canyon Exceed, Specialized Transition, Ellsworth Roots, Ridley Excalibur

Mentioned: 68 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2952 Post(s)
Liked 3,106 Times in 1,417 Posts
Originally Posted by mcours2006
+1. That's where it'll make the biggest difference, not necessarily in performance, but enjoyment/comfort.
Performance too. If you’re too beat up by your bike after a couple of hours, you won’t be able to generate the power you could otherwise.
caloso is offline  
Old 06-19-18, 01:22 AM
  #9  
Kimmo 
bike whisperer
 
Kimmo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Melbourne, Oz
Posts: 9,545

Bikes: https://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=152015&p=1404231

Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1526 Post(s)
Liked 718 Times in 510 Posts
Tyres & tubes.

If everything works nice, after making the wheels lighter from the outside in, make the bike lighter from the top down. Seat, bars, stem, tape, segmented cable housing.
Kimmo is offline  
Old 06-19-18, 02:43 AM
  #10  
dim
Senior Member
 
dim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Cambridge UK
Posts: 1,667

Bikes: Trek Emonda SL6 .... Miyata One Thousand

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 63 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 29 Times in 22 Posts
Powermeter ....
dim is offline  
Old 06-19-18, 04:54 AM
  #11  
Sy Reene
Advocatus Diaboli
 
Sy Reene's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Wherever I am
Posts: 8,633

Bikes: Merlin Cyrene, Nashbar steel CX

Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4731 Post(s)
Liked 1,531 Times in 1,002 Posts
To go with the new wheels, how can you not be thinking these?
Sy Reene is offline  
Old 06-19-18, 05:15 AM
  #12  
znomit
Zoom zoom zoom zoom bonk
 
znomit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 4,624

Bikes: Giant Defy, Trek 1.7c, BMC GF02, Fuji Tahoe, Scott Sub 35, Kona Rove, Trek Verve+2

Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 551 Post(s)
Liked 722 Times in 366 Posts
Fill your inner tubes with helium.
znomit is offline  
Old 06-19-18, 06:50 AM
  #13  
kbarch
Senior Member
 
kbarch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 4,286
Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1096 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Hard to say without knowing where you're starting with everything, and somehow I get the impression you don't have anything that particularly needs upgrading. Fresh bar tape and new cleats are always nice, though. How about a nice shiny carbon saddle?
kbarch is offline  
Old 06-19-18, 07:19 AM
  #14  
harrisonk
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Main Line, PA
Posts: 69

Bikes: Pinarello Gan RS

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 40 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by kbarch
Hard to say without knowing where you're starting with everything, and somehow I get the impression you don't have anything that particularly needs upgrading. Fresh bar tape and new cleats are always nice, though. How about a nice shiny carbon saddle?
You are correct. Brand new bike with mechanical Ultegra and Bontrager Aeolus 5 carbon clinchers.
harrisonk is offline  
Old 06-19-18, 07:34 AM
  #15  
noodle soup
Senior Member
 
noodle soup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 8,922
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4717 Post(s)
Liked 1,882 Times in 998 Posts
Originally Posted by harrisonk
You are correct. Brand new bike with mechanical Ultegra and Bontrager Aeolus 5 carbon clinchers.
do you already have a saddle that you are happy with?
noodle soup is offline  
Old 06-19-18, 07:49 AM
  #16  
MRT2
Senior Member
 
MRT2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 6,319

Bikes: 2012 Salsa Casseroll, 2009 Kona Blast

Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1031 Post(s)
Liked 208 Times in 146 Posts
Originally Posted by harrisonk
What would you upgrade after wheels on a brand new high mod carbon road bike? I'm thinking about swapping out my 10+ year old entry-level Look Keo pedals for Look Keo Blade Carbon Ti, or replacing my Fizik Airone Versus Evo for a Berk composites Lupina. What would you do?
I suppose if you have the extra cash, it doesn't hurt to give some new pedals or new saddle a try. But in general , my experience has been that unless there is something about your old pedals or saddle that is bothering you, it might just be an expensive lateral move, or worse.
MRT2 is offline  
Old 06-19-18, 08:33 AM
  #17  
RPK79
Custom User Title
 
RPK79's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: SE MN
Posts: 11,239

Bikes: Fuji Roubaix Pro & Quintana Roo Kilo

Mentioned: 40 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2863 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 31 Times in 14 Posts
Frame.
RPK79 is offline  
Old 06-19-18, 08:36 AM
  #18  
harrisonk
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Main Line, PA
Posts: 69

Bikes: Pinarello Gan RS

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 40 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I have a saddle that I'm happy with (I'm not unhappy with) but I have been considering a new saddle for no other reason than to save weight. I'm not unhappy with anything about the bike, but I'm wondering if there is anything I can do to make me significantly happier with it.
harrisonk is offline  
Old 06-19-18, 08:38 AM
  #19  
noodle soup
Senior Member
 
noodle soup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 8,922
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4717 Post(s)
Liked 1,882 Times in 998 Posts
Originally Posted by harrisonk
. I'm not unhappy with anything about the bike, but I'm wondering if there is anything I can do to make me significantly happier with it.
Ride it more.

Sometimes miles will help identify problems, or things you might want to change.

Last edited by noodle soup; 06-19-18 at 08:57 AM.
noodle soup is offline  
Old 06-19-18, 08:43 AM
  #20  
MRT2
Senior Member
 
MRT2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 6,319

Bikes: 2012 Salsa Casseroll, 2009 Kona Blast

Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1031 Post(s)
Liked 208 Times in 146 Posts
Originally Posted by harrisonk
I have a saddle that I'm happy with (I'm not unhappy with) but I have been considering a new saddle for no other reason than to save weight. I'm not unhappy with anything about the bike, but I'm wondering if there is anything I can do to make me significantly happier with it.
Weight savings changing saddles has got to be the worst value for your money. Not sure the weight savings, but my guess is, it is tiny. My question for you is, would you save 40 or 50 gms of weight at the expense of comfort? Would you switch to a saddle that was 50, or 100 gms heavier if it were more comfortable. I would wager, most cyclists would say yes.
MRT2 is offline  
Old 06-19-18, 09:14 AM
  #21  
maartendc
Senior Member
 
maartendc's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 901

Bikes: BMC SLC01, Trek Checkpoint ALR5

Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 542 Post(s)
Liked 32 Times in 26 Posts
Originally Posted by MRT2
Weight savings changing saddles has got to be the worst value for your money. Not sure the weight savings, but my guess is, it is tiny. My question for you is, would you save 40 or 50 gms of weight at the expense of comfort? Would you switch to a saddle that was 50, or 100 gms heavier if it were more comfortable. I would wager, most cyclists would say yes.
The difference between a aluminum railed saddle and carbon railed saddle can easily be 80-100g, but probably not worth the price if you buy it new. Carbon railed saddles can easily be $300 or more, so definitely not your best value trying to save weight.

That being said, a lighter saddle can be more comfortable than a heavier saddle! I switched from a Specialized Romin Evo Expert with alloy rails weighing 235g to the Romin Evo Pro with Carbon rails weighing 160g (got an amazing deal at $60 for a used one in pristine condition). The new lighter saddle actually has less padding than the old one, and it feels much better on long rides than the old one with more padding (which gave me sore seatbones after 4 hours). The saddles have almost identical geometry, so it really is just less padding..

Sounds like you already have an amazing bike, I wouldnt "upgrade" anything. Perhaps a nice GPS head unit or power meter if you are serious about your training? Or a nicer helmet (a good quality helmet fits nicer than a bargain basement $10 one usually). Good quality tires are a good investment as others have said.

If I had more money than sense, I would get:
- Carbon aero handlebars (can be up to 100g lighter than entry level handlebars)
- Ultralight cassette Dura Ace or SRAM Red (Can easily be 100 g lighter)
- Very light saddle (again 100g can easily be saved)
- Ultralight climbing wheels on top of aero wheelset (1300g or less)
- Light carbon crankset,
- Upgrade to DI2 ....
- ....

There is no shortage of options if you really have money burning a hole in your pocket... The bike industry will gladly take it off your hands. Whether or not these are worthwhile upgrades: No, probably not. It just gets lighter and more expensive.

Last edited by maartendc; 06-19-18 at 09:21 AM.
maartendc is offline  
Old 06-19-18, 11:27 AM
  #22  
kbarch
Senior Member
 
kbarch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 4,286
Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1096 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
OK, having a little clearer picture, I'll say you were on the rigjt track and new pedals are definitely in order. After that, maybe a new helmet. But IT'S A BRAND NEW BIKE so there is no reason anything (other than saddle - presumably it didn't come with pedals) should need to be upgraded - otherwise, it was the wrong bike to begin with.
kbarch is offline  
Old 06-19-18, 11:42 AM
  #23  
OneIsAllYouNeed
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Seacoast, NH
Posts: 756

Bikes: Chinook travel/gravel/family tandem, Chinook all-road, Motobecane fatbike

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 232 Post(s)
Liked 34 Times in 25 Posts
Ride it more. Sign up for some events with your upgrade fund.
OneIsAllYouNeed is offline  
Old 06-19-18, 12:21 PM
  #24  
02Giant 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 2,977
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1638 Post(s)
Liked 741 Times in 495 Posts
Originally Posted by harrisonk
What would you upgrade after wheels on a brand new high mod carbon road bike? I'm thinking about swapping out my 10+ year old entry-level Look Keo pedals for Look Keo Blade Carbon Ti, or replacing my Fizik Airone Versus Evo for a Berk composites Lupina. What would you do?
I swapped out my Look Keo's for the Carbon Blade Chromo's in 12nm. I have been very happy with them, my old Keo's unclipped so easy that I usually didn't know for sure they detached. I believe they clip in easier ie; catching the pedal in the proper position to make the clip-in pretty seem-less. They actually snap into place more solidly than the old Keo's.
__________________
nine mile skid on a ten mile ride
02Giant is offline  
Old 06-19-18, 03:07 PM
  #25  
Dopefish905
Senior Member
 
Dopefish905's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Hamilton Ontario
Posts: 180

Bikes: Cervelo S3

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 38 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Upgrade to di2.

Best money I spent so far, and I got all the carbon toys..
Dopefish905 is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.