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Old 06-10-19, 11:57 AM
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Steel looks/feels better.

steel frames look better because they express the essence of eloquent simplicity that the bicycle is. Steel also absorbs road shock is more comfortable to ride. Also, because I'm USAF trained to look for stress cracks on aircraft based on manufacturers initial structure stress tests, I would be very cautious about putting my safety in the hands of a unknown foreign mass carbon bike frame maker.

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Old 06-10-19, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by yukiinu
steel frames look better because they express the essence of eloquent simplicity that the bicycle is. Steel also absorbs road shock is more comfortable to ride.
From all bold to all italics. What else do you have in store for us?
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Old 06-10-19, 12:05 PM
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I think it must just be "cool" in certain circles to be different from everyone else and use a word like crabon instead of carbon like most people use.
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Old 06-10-19, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Kite005
I think it must just be "cool" in certain circles to be different from everyone else and use a word like crabon instead of carbon like most people use.
I can tell from your post count and join date that you are new. It's a running joke. Same with "drope the hamer", "guads", and "assplode" (which is what crabon frames often do). You shouldn't always take this place too seriously.
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w i n d

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Traffic lights? Wind?

Also, box rim wheels are less aero than taller rims, which I assume your Psimet carbon wheels are.
finally - someone said the obvious - WIND
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Old 06-10-19, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by seedsbelize
Strava gives me grossly overstated elevation gains here in pancake land.
Interesting. I find that it grossly underestimates elevation gains around me(rolling farmland and whatnot). My GPS unit, that counts the elevation change as I ride, is consistently 30% more than what Strava shows. Each time my GPS auto uploads to Strava, I try to guess how far off they are from one another.
In the end, it isnt really important. Just funny.
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Old 06-10-19, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
I can tell from your post count and join date that you are new. It's a running joke. Same with "drope the hamer", "guads", and "assplode" (which is what crabon frames often do). You shouldn't always take this place too seriously.
Okay that makes sense. Mine was a reply to someone else mentioning it. I kind of like asplode better though.
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Old 06-10-19, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by yukiinu
steel frames look better because they express the essence of eloquent simplicity that the bicycle is. Steel also absorbs road shock is more comfortable to ride.
That may be your opinion, which has absolutely nothing to do with the true fact of this thread.

That fact? Crabon bikes are fast.
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Old 06-10-19, 02:44 PM
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Yes. Let's not get side tracked.
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Old 06-10-19, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
Interesting. I find that it grossly underestimates elevation gains around me(rolling farmland and whatnot). My GPS unit, that counts the elevation change as I ride, is consistently 30% more than what Strava shows. Each time my GPS auto uploads to Strava, I try to guess how far off they are from one another.
In the end, it isnt really important. Just funny.
The only elevation I get is the countless speed bumps, and I can get over 200 meters elevation gain on a 24 km out and back.
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Old 06-10-19, 03:22 PM
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I see now there is an "A-story" and a "B-story" in this thread now.
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Old 06-10-19, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
and "assplode" (which is what crabon frames often do).
I thought that assplosions were from eating too much at charity ride rest stops?
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Old 06-10-19, 03:53 PM
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But what is fastest,
a blue crabon aero bike, or a red crabon non aero bike?
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Old 06-10-19, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by rossiny
Sorry but this has little relevance. You don't even know what kind of steel bike??? Wheels come into play, weight , etc,
What do you mean we don't know what kind of steel bike it is? It's a steel bike.
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Old 06-10-19, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by PepeM
Hello, fellow BFers.

Lately, I have been riding my steel pedalbike a lot. It is a nice ride. Steel frame of unknown provenance, Dura Ace 10-speed groupset with downtube shifters, Ambrosio Crono wheels with Vittoria Corsa tubulars (23mm.) Solid ride all around.

Today, I took out my crabon bike out for a spin, after a year laying dormant. Focus Cayo, Force groupset, Psimet crabon tubulars. I followed the same route I rode on my trusty steelstead last week and lo and behold, I went over 2 mph faster on the crabon bike!

For the nonbelievers, I shall present evidence.

Exhibit 1, ride on the steel bike:



Note the average speed (shall not be confused with cruising speed.)

Exhibit 2, same ride on the crabon bike:



That's like a 15% gain in speed!

So, is crabon faster? Discuss.
Do not rule out the effect that you KNEW you were riding on a carbon bike. This is the reason for "double blind" tests; Everything disguised, you don't know what bike you are riding on, anyone administering the test does not know what bike you are riding on. Now bikes are difficult to disguise without messing up the aerodynamics. But you cannot discount placebo effects.
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Old 06-10-19, 07:32 PM
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Fastness is overrated.
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Old 06-11-19, 07:34 AM
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What if I told you that I was riding blindfolded?
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Old 06-11-19, 08:51 AM
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Now lets talk physics. Moving a weight W over a height H + distance D in time T requires 'X' energy

Using X energy to move weight W-Z over height H + distance D will result in < T.
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Old 06-11-19, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by PepeM
What if I told you that I was riding blindfolded?
This would qualify you for a drivers license in Georgia.


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Old 06-11-19, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by PepeM
What if I told you that I was riding blindfolded?

We didn't talk about what was in your water bottles.

What if placebo was in one & plain water in the other? You can't always taste the difference, right?
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Old 06-11-19, 09:56 AM
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No.
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This makes it all worth while

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What cable housings are you running? That can make a big difference.
This forum is where I get a good laugh. There are some genuinely funny people here. Thanks
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Motor?

More red?
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Old 06-12-19, 07:11 AM
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More red definitely. No motor was involved.
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Old 06-13-19, 10:26 AM
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sounds like you need to retest this bike experiment a number of times and average them out, conclude that steel is really slow but saves power


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