Need suggestions for a trail bike that is fast on pavement
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Need suggestions for a trail bike that is fast on pavement
I demoed the Ibis Ripley 4, and really liked it (I've only ridden my gravel bike until now, which often scares me on single track). The Ripley is a good weight for me, around 26 pounds (about the same as my steel-frame gravel bike). I like its big tires on single track. But I don't want to buy a car to carry the bike to the trails, and so need to bike from my house to the hills, which is around 14 miles (and 2300 ft of elevation). This is a nice ride on my gravel bike. So I'm looking for a mountain bike that has a decent speed on pavement. My other requirement is two full-sized bottle-water mounts, because these types of rides are no fun with a backpack (which makes you sweat more and then need to cary more water). So the Ripley, although nice, isn't the best option. I'm having a hard time finding options. Maybe I'm not good at Google searches. I am fine with the idea of a hardtail that has a dropper post, but it should be a lot lighter than the Ripley with its full suspension, and I'm not finding a reasonable option (it should cost less than the Ripley too, being a simpler bike).
Does anyone have good suggestions? If a hardtail, I'd say it should be less than 24 pounds, otherwise I'll consider the 26-lb Ripley and its full suspension and living with its downsides; ideally it would be like 22 pounds or lighter.
Or if you think it is crazy to bike so much on pavement with a mountain bike, I'd like to hear that too. In that case, I'd consider adding a dropper post to my gravel bike, switch to flat pedals, and work on my single-track skills with it.
Does anyone have good suggestions? If a hardtail, I'd say it should be less than 24 pounds, otherwise I'll consider the 26-lb Ripley and its full suspension and living with its downsides; ideally it would be like 22 pounds or lighter.
Or if you think it is crazy to bike so much on pavement with a mountain bike, I'd like to hear that too. In that case, I'd consider adding a dropper post to my gravel bike, switch to flat pedals, and work on my single-track skills with it.
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I do the same.... Bike to trails.
Change the tires. Like Vittoria Mezcal 2.25.... no bigger. Air up a bit more. Maybe lock out the suspension?
Ripley looks like a good XC FS bike.
Change the tires. Like Vittoria Mezcal 2.25.... no bigger. Air up a bit more. Maybe lock out the suspension?
Ripley looks like a good XC FS bike.
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Ripleys a great bike I've demo'd them twice
26 is a good weight for FS, but is you don't need a rear shock you can get a lighter, cheaper and lower maintenance bike with a HT. For the same price you can easily put together a 20lb carbon hardtail.
I also occasionally ride a gravel bike on the ST but the wheels get a beating, yes it can be done, but to me its funner on a light HT. As for water, have you tried a hip bag which looks like a fanny pack? A few guys I ride with are switching over to them.
26 is a good weight for FS, but is you don't need a rear shock you can get a lighter, cheaper and lower maintenance bike with a HT. For the same price you can easily put together a 20lb carbon hardtail.
I also occasionally ride a gravel bike on the ST but the wheels get a beating, yes it can be done, but to me its funner on a light HT. As for water, have you tried a hip bag which looks like a fanny pack? A few guys I ride with are switching over to them.
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Lots of options for a second water bottle. Handle bars, stem cap, check out 2 fish for ideas. Go with the full sus. Get some low profile knobbies, super 8 or something like a recon. Start there.
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I think you are asking a lot for any one bike. 14 miles one-way on pavement ?. You also indicate you're not happy riding the gravel bike on the trails.
Vs. how much time do you spend on the trail ?, as opposed to the road portion ?. That ratio of time spent might drive the mt. bike to be something different, setting it up with tires that are more appropriate for the road and are "OK" for the easier trails, so I assume it's a handling and tire issue and that you like the way a FS mt. bike handles on the trails ?. I might not use a FS instead use an HT which would be lighter, but this is really terrain dependent.
I live 12 miles from my local trail system and I drive it in order to maximize the time I spend in the woods. I then ride longer in the woods.
Vs. how much time do you spend on the trail ?, as opposed to the road portion ?. That ratio of time spent might drive the mt. bike to be something different, setting it up with tires that are more appropriate for the road and are "OK" for the easier trails, so I assume it's a handling and tire issue and that you like the way a FS mt. bike handles on the trails ?. I might not use a FS instead use an HT which would be lighter, but this is really terrain dependent.
I live 12 miles from my local trail system and I drive it in order to maximize the time I spend in the woods. I then ride longer in the woods.
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Besides the extra weight and less aero position, the biggest power sucker on a mountain bike is the tires. If you want to roll easily on pavement, pick a tire with low rolling resistance and pump it up to 55 psi. Then you can lower the pressure when you get to the trail, if desired.
For example, the Schwalbe Thunder Burt TL-E PaceStar at 55 psi has a rolling resistance of 18.5 Watts. Comparing it to a typical road tire like Continental Grand Prix 4000S at 12.2 Watts, the power penalty is minimal.
Bicycle Rolling Resistance - Mountain Bike Overview
For example, the Schwalbe Thunder Burt TL-E PaceStar at 55 psi has a rolling resistance of 18.5 Watts. Comparing it to a typical road tire like Continental Grand Prix 4000S at 12.2 Watts, the power penalty is minimal.
Bicycle Rolling Resistance - Mountain Bike Overview
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One of Salsa’s new bikes will take multiple bottles within the triangle.
I also think you’re asking a lot. Good MTB tires (I’m thinking reinforced casing and med or large lugs) take a lot of power out and wear fast on the road. That’s aside from any thought of the efficiency of the bike otherwise.
I also think you’re asking a lot. Good MTB tires (I’m thinking reinforced casing and med or large lugs) take a lot of power out and wear fast on the road. That’s aside from any thought of the efficiency of the bike otherwise.
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This is good feedback. I like the idea of a frame bag on the full-suspension bike with a hydration pack. I also like the idea of a 20lb carbon hardtail. Right now I bike around with 47mm Terrene Elwood tough tires, which are not the fastest tires, on my 26lb steel-frame bike. I rode 113 miles at 12,470 ft elevation this weekend with this setup (pavement was bad, so I was happy to have this configuration). Since mountain-bike tires consume more watts, and I'm already spending lots of watts on my bike, maybe it will cancel out by getting a 20lb carbon hardtail.
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