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But it doesn't look like they are buying much of the urban life. It seems as if they aren't buying much of anything but rather moving in with friends or parents, wherever that might be. Millennials Have Jobs But Still Live at Home | Time.com
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As discussed in this thread, cities are growing both up and out, so not just out, as they did in the latter 20th century
see eg. Millennials Continue Urbanization Of America, Leaving Small Towns : NPR
see eg. Millennials Continue Urbanization Of America, Leaving Small Towns : NPR
Sure, we're doing a bit better at controlling some of the more hideous aspects of poorly planned growth than we were 40 years ago, but not in any way that will radically alter the landscape in the foreseeable future.
I don't think making cities larger is really the answer. And they will continue to grow more out than up as urbanization if fine for youth but they're going to move out as they breed. I'd prefer to see the small towns revived and increased in size by manageable degrees. Linked to larger cities by high speed rail. Technology has changed what we need in our living arrangements and I think we should start planning for that rather than just rearranging what we've been doing for centuries. But as I said, on reflection I realize that isn't going to happen. We are just going to keep doing the same thing. So you're probably correct that we should just cheer when we do it a bit better.
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Better yet, can always borrow one of the family cars and maintain the fiction of being an LCF crusader if that floats the eaglet's boat.
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But it doesn't look like they are buying much of the urban life. It seems as if they aren't buying much of anything but rather moving in with friends or parents... Millennials Have Jobs But Still Live at Home | Time.com
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But the real changes are marginal and certainly aren't fundamental changes to age old model.
Sure, we're doing a bit better at controlling some of the more hideous aspects of poorly planned growth than we were 40 years ago, but not in any way that will radically alter the landscape in the foreseeable future.
I don't think making cities larger is really the answer. And they will continue to grow more out than up as urbanization if fine for youth but they're going to move out as they breed. I'd prefer to see the small towns revived and increased in size by manageable degrees. Linked to larger cities by high speed rail. Technology has changed what we need in our living arrangements and I think we should start planning for that rather than just rearranging what we've been doing for centuries. But as I said, on reflection I realize that isn't going to happen. We are just going to keep doing the same thing. So you're probably correct that we should just cheer when we do it a bit better.
Sure, we're doing a bit better at controlling some of the more hideous aspects of poorly planned growth than we were 40 years ago, but not in any way that will radically alter the landscape in the foreseeable future.
I don't think making cities larger is really the answer. And they will continue to grow more out than up as urbanization if fine for youth but they're going to move out as they breed. I'd prefer to see the small towns revived and increased in size by manageable degrees. Linked to larger cities by high speed rail. Technology has changed what we need in our living arrangements and I think we should start planning for that rather than just rearranging what we've been doing for centuries. But as I said, on reflection I realize that isn't going to happen. We are just going to keep doing the same thing. So you're probably correct that we should just cheer when we do it a bit better.
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I had to dig to find the source report, and TIME has kind of overblown the issue. The proportion of millenials living at home has gone from 24% to 26% since 2007, so 3/4 of them don't live at home. What it would be interesting to know, is how the parental location figures in. For example is one reason for living at home that the parents live closer to downtown than the kid can afford? In my daughter's case that might be one reason. She had a room-mate lined up but they wanted a more suburban location for lower rent, and so they decided not to share.
I do wonder how they will do once they get back into a full employment society? But if a third are moving home, be that the burbs or the city, it isn't a property growth spurt making the city bigger.
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Huff post had the number at 36 percent have moved home and aren't buying homes either. So now that they have merged the burbs into the Urban basket it is easy to say the Millennials are more urban. Still it is pretty much accepted by many reporting sources including the BBC. A third of US millennials still live at home, census report finds - BBC News
I do wonder how they will do once they get back into a full employment society? But if a third are moving home, be that the burbs or the city, it isn't a property growth spurt making the city bigger.
I do wonder how they will do once they get back into a full employment society? But if a third are moving home, be that the burbs or the city, it isn't a property growth spurt making the city bigger.
EDIT: actually one of the cited articles said the DC suburbs of Arlington and Alexandria were among the most popular locations for millenials - I don't know much about them - are they more urban dense or suburban sprawl?
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The US census study reported by the BBC included college dorms as "home" - although in a way I suppose that is fair, as they don't have a permanent home and presumably go back to the parental home on break. The bit about the burbs being urban is a non-sequiter as we don't have data on where the majority living away from home have settled - inner urban or outer urban if you will.
EDIT: actually one of the cited articles said the DC suburbs of Arlington and Alexandria were among the most popular locations for millenials - I don't know much about them - are they more urban dense of suburban sprawl?
EDIT: actually one of the cited articles said the DC suburbs of Arlington and Alexandria were among the most popular locations for millenials - I don't know much about them - are they more urban dense of suburban sprawl?
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Imagine for a moment the TdF and no cars. Bicycling star Mark Cavendish drives a McLaren and owns a second home in Italy. LCF means depending on your bike like most depend on their cars. I guess the same could be said for Cavendish who also depends on his bike to afford homes and cars.
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Bumped because when we last discussed Olso's downtown car-reduced redesign, they were in the throes of start up stresses and conflicts; so here is an update on how it's going now.
https://www.fastcompany.com/90294948...cally-car-free
"But while business owners initially worried about the city creating a ghost town that no one would visit, the opposite seems to be true; as in other cities that have converted some streets to pedestrian-only areas, the areas in Oslo that have been pedestrianized are some of the most popular parts of the city, Marcussen says. Last fall, after hundreds of parking spots had been removed, the city found that it had 10% more pedestrians in the center than the year before. “So that is telling me that we are doing something right,” she says."
Hopefully the Danish guy will revisit the thread and continue to tell us how bad Oslo is compared to Copenhagen
EDIT: there is a new thread: https://www.bikeforums.net/living-ca...free-oslo.html
https://www.fastcompany.com/90294948...cally-car-free
"But while business owners initially worried about the city creating a ghost town that no one would visit, the opposite seems to be true; as in other cities that have converted some streets to pedestrian-only areas, the areas in Oslo that have been pedestrianized are some of the most popular parts of the city, Marcussen says. Last fall, after hundreds of parking spots had been removed, the city found that it had 10% more pedestrians in the center than the year before. “So that is telling me that we are doing something right,” she says."
Hopefully the Danish guy will revisit the thread and continue to tell us how bad Oslo is compared to Copenhagen
EDIT: there is a new thread: https://www.bikeforums.net/living-ca...free-oslo.html
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Bumped one more time for this:
Please continue in new thread: https://www.bikeforums.net/living-ca...hs-2019-a.html
Vision Zero! Norwegian Capital Completely Quashes Road Deaths
https://usa.streetsblog.org/2020/01/03/vision-zero-norwegian-capital-completely-quashes-road-deaths/Please continue in new thread: https://www.bikeforums.net/living-ca...hs-2019-a.html
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