Help me identify this Pinarello
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Help me identify this Pinarello
So I found this frame about a month ago and purchased it for about $175.00 based off a few decent pictures. It arrived today and I got a good close look at it. Not too bad... a little bit of rust on the chain stay chrome but no dents or scratches through the chrome plating. It appears to be fully chromed under the paint and besides missing a few decals, is in good shape otherwise. No rust in the head or seat tube.
I'm certain its a mid-early 80s Montello, but I can't be entirely sure. The Montello (from what I know) was the only bike with an internal routed rear brake cable. I don't know what kind of steel it is, the decals are gone.
Here are the specs:
52cm
126 mm rear dropout (6-7 speed)
26.9 mm seat post
2.05 mm tube thickness in the seat tube
I would love some speculation and comments from the group...
I'm certain its a mid-early 80s Montello, but I can't be entirely sure. The Montello (from what I know) was the only bike with an internal routed rear brake cable. I don't know what kind of steel it is, the decals are gone.
Here are the specs:
52cm
126 mm rear dropout (6-7 speed)
26.9 mm seat post
2.05 mm tube thickness in the seat tube
I would love some speculation and comments from the group...
Last edited by Vince Hoffmann; 05-25-19 at 07:20 PM. Reason: added photo
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I was going to say Treviso with bonus internal rear brake cable routing.
It’s interesting that the ‘exit’ hole in top tube is quite a way forward compared to mid 80’s Montellos.
85 catalogue Treviso had a clamp on FD, but 87 catalogue Trevisos had a braze on FD. Seat tube bottle mounts were only just starting to be introduced in 85.
Lack of pump peg suggests pre-87.
The paint detail on the chainstay adjacent the chrome doesn’t look original, makes me wonder if it’s been re-sprayed.
My guess for tubing would be Columbus SL.
Serial number fits with mid 80’s format. Actually does the BB serial match?
It’s interesting that the ‘exit’ hole in top tube is quite a way forward compared to mid 80’s Montellos.
85 catalogue Treviso had a clamp on FD, but 87 catalogue Trevisos had a braze on FD. Seat tube bottle mounts were only just starting to be introduced in 85.
Lack of pump peg suggests pre-87.
The paint detail on the chainstay adjacent the chrome doesn’t look original, makes me wonder if it’s been re-sprayed.
My guess for tubing would be Columbus SL.
Serial number fits with mid 80’s format. Actually does the BB serial match?
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Interesting, I did not notice the paint detail on the chainstay… it's backward. I looked at it again and it doesn't look like a respray considering the patina. I wonder if it was a mistake at the factory?
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Just a guess, doesn't it look like a Montello 83-84 (even the color and the seat stay chrome detail) except for the absence of a pump peg on the head tube? Searching for helicoidal reinforcement of the seat tube at the bottom bracket could confirm it is made of Columbus SLX (Montello). The absence of helicoidal reinforcement would confirm it is made of SL, so potentially a circa 87 Treviso (but with internal rear brake cable ??). But I am no expert. I have a hard time identifying my own new Pinarello https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...need-help.html. Have a look, maybe you can help.
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Perhaps it doesn't have a pump peg due to the small size so I wouldn't put too much stock in that. However, I think the answer is in the chain stay "bridge".
Whatever it is, I LIKE it.
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Ok I’m going to take the bottom bracket apart this weekend to try and peer up into the seat tube. If I find the spiral reinforcement, then I know it’s SLX, if not then it’s SL.
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The last couple of posts, I think, nailed it. It's an early Montello. No pump peg because they don't fit in under a 53/54cm frame.
I'm just putting my 87± Spummoni (I think 87 was the first year for this paint job) Montello back together and found that the bottom of the fork steerer has the spirals in it. Easier to look in there than try to find them in the other tubes.
I've never seen a Treviso with internal routing. One of the later models (Stelvio, I believe) had internal routing but the entry and exit look different and are in different locations than on the Montello.
A good way to date these frames is the label up by the head tube.
Mine:
I'm just putting my 87± Spummoni (I think 87 was the first year for this paint job) Montello back together and found that the bottom of the fork steerer has the spirals in it. Easier to look in there than try to find them in the other tubes.
I've never seen a Treviso with internal routing. One of the later models (Stelvio, I believe) had internal routing but the entry and exit look different and are in different locations than on the Montello.
A good way to date these frames is the label up by the head tube.
Mine:
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The last couple of posts, I think, nailed it. It's an early Montello. No pump peg because they don't fit in under a 53/54cm frame.
I'm just putting my 87± Spummoni (I think 87 was the first year for this paint job) Montello back together and found that the bottom of the fork steerer has the spirals in it. Easier to look in there than try to find them in the other tubes.
I've never seen a Treviso with internal routing. One of the later models (Stelvio, I believe) had internal routing but the entry and exit look different and are in different locations than on the Montello.
A good way to date these frames is the label up by the head tube.
Mine:
I'm just putting my 87± Spummoni (I think 87 was the first year for this paint job) Montello back together and found that the bottom of the fork steerer has the spirals in it. Easier to look in there than try to find them in the other tubes.
I've never seen a Treviso with internal routing. One of the later models (Stelvio, I believe) had internal routing but the entry and exit look different and are in different locations than on the Montello.
A good way to date these frames is the label up by the head tube.
Mine:
Only real way to assure one has an SLX frameset, is to look for the spirals in the down and seat tube ends, in the BB....
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I have a '86 Montello. Montellos do not have the separate bridge connecting the seatstays. Montello's do have the cast fastback-style seatpost clamp assembly in the pic posted by fraba.
My bike was constructed with SL tubing, which may be associated with it being a smaller frame size.
My bike was constructed with SL tubing, which may be associated with it being a smaller frame size.
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I'm no expert on Pinarello, but I believe SLX was introduced on Montello in 1985 with no chainstay bridge. If I remember, that info was in a Gita catalog scan. So if it's a Montello it should be pre-'85.
My Pinarello is painted in colors to commemorate Alexi Grewal's '84 Olympic road race victory. I have chosen to call it a SuperRecord, but it could be a Treviso with chromed chain and seatstays. Maybe the special paint had added chrome, too. It has a chainstay bridge, no internal cable routing, brazed on FD hanger, 2 sets bottle bracket bosses, pump peg, SL frameset.
My Pinarello is painted in colors to commemorate Alexi Grewal's '84 Olympic road race victory. I have chosen to call it a SuperRecord, but it could be a Treviso with chromed chain and seatstays. Maybe the special paint had added chrome, too. It has a chainstay bridge, no internal cable routing, brazed on FD hanger, 2 sets bottle bracket bosses, pump peg, SL frameset.
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Yes, as you can see in the images. (from this source https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...eistics-2.html)
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It's funny. I just had a 2nd look at this image. This decals seems to be linked to early 90s here (https://labibleduvelocataloguespinar...-datation.html)... I think I see a 9...
Sorry to add to the confusion
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It's funny. I just had a 2nd look at this image. This decals seems to be linked to early 90s here (https://labibleduvelocataloguespinar...-datation.html)... I think I see a 9...
Sorry to add to the confusion
Sorry to add to the confusion
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I was referring to the decal on the first picture "Campione olympics '8? (should be 84), Campione del mondo '9?" But in the new picture, we can't see the numbers because of a flash of light.
Edit: top image, looks like '90. Then it would make sense that the bike is early 90s... if this is the original decal.
Edit: top image, looks like '90. Then it would make sense that the bike is early 90s... if this is the original decal.
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Appears to be ‘84 and ‘90. I thought riveted head badges were gone by ‘85 or ‘86?
here’s a theory: the head badge location seems to indicate a repaint at some point in the past... it’s possible that fresh decals were also put on then. The wreath decal and a couple others including the tube type decals show no indication they were ever there.
here’s a theory: the head badge location seems to indicate a repaint at some point in the past... it’s possible that fresh decals were also put on then. The wreath decal and a couple others including the tube type decals show no indication they were ever there.
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But looking at the head badge, evidence of paint under the badge, like it was painted without removing the badge. Could it be an 84 re-sprayed with new decals?
Edit: From what I have been told, the double letter serial number could be consistent with a mid 80s frame.
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Got the bb removed today thanks to help from my LBS mechanics (took three of them to wrench it out)
tube verdict: SL
considering all of the information everyone provided about the chain stay bridge, riveted headbadge, internal cable and tube type, I’m going to peg this as a 1984 Montello that was resprayed sometime in the early 90s with only a few of the decals replaced.
tube verdict: SL
considering all of the information everyone provided about the chain stay bridge, riveted headbadge, internal cable and tube type, I’m going to peg this as a 1984 Montello that was resprayed sometime in the early 90s with only a few of the decals replaced.
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Make sense to me
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Got the bb removed today thanks to help from my LBS mechanics (took three of them to wrench it out)
tube verdict: SL
considering all of the information everyone provided about the chain stay bridge, riveted headbadge, internal cable and tube type, I’m going to peg this as a 1984 Montello that was resprayed sometime in the early 90s with only a few of the decals replaced.
tube verdict: SL
considering all of the information everyone provided about the chain stay bridge, riveted headbadge, internal cable and tube type, I’m going to peg this as a 1984 Montello that was resprayed sometime in the early 90s with only a few of the decals replaced.
Thanks for starting the thread. There are others that get long and hard to find an answer to a specific question.
I'm still looking for another 84/85 SL framed Pinarello to show both CHAIN and SEAT STAY chrome (up to the seatstay cap, with painted brake bridge). No internal cable route, double bottle bosses, brazed FD.
The LA84 paint scheme was offered on the "Record" frameset, altho it is not pictured only listed as a paint option.
Frankly, just holding on to this bike for the nice chrome and original paint (needs to be touched-up) otherwise it's a damaged frame (but tracks perfectly straight) with replacement fork that needs more rake. Converted to 7 indexed Shimano on the downtube at some point.
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