Lance Armstrong-yes or no
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Lance Armstrong-yes or no
yes i believe him -or- no i do not.............heres my 2 cents,Y-E-S, 100 percent!#1,tested 30 to 40 times a year,#2 tested randomly, all negative,#3 tested in front of reporters while he signed off on the samples,#4 to see video of him training in the alps in cold weather,and people pleading for him to get in the car and he refuses! Let me know ! GOOD OR BAD!.
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NO, Guilty by the company that you keep. With that said, am I saying George is guilty to?
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Yes and No.
It still blows my mind that a clean Lance just crushed in the TdF the Ullrichs, Pantanis, Landises, Hamiltons, Bassos, Heras, Mayos, Vinokurovs, Rasmussens, and others who subesquently have been (justly or unjustly) convicted or accused of doping.
Maybe he just was that good. Maybe there was something more in his Wheaties than 2% milk.
Who knows. Give him a call and ask.
It still blows my mind that a clean Lance just crushed in the TdF the Ullrichs, Pantanis, Landises, Hamiltons, Bassos, Heras, Mayos, Vinokurovs, Rasmussens, and others who subesquently have been (justly or unjustly) convicted or accused of doping.
Maybe he just was that good. Maybe there was something more in his Wheaties than 2% milk.
Who knows. Give him a call and ask.
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Hasn't this been done to death already?
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yes i believe him -or- no i do not.............heres my 2 cents,Y-E-S, 100 percent!#1,tested 30 to 40 times a year,#2 tested randomly, all negative,#3 tested in front of reporters while he signed off on the samples,#4 to see video of him training in the alps in cold weather,and people pleading for him to get in the car and he refuses! Let me know ! GOOD OR BAD!.
Besides that your logic is completely flawed. Someone clean slaughtering talented riders like Ullrich and Basso who were on the gear. I don't think so. The video of him training in the cold is a furphy. Its not like Armstrong is the first rider ever to train in bad weather.
Anyone who reckons Armstrong was clean needs to go and take a big fat reality pill.
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Superior training methods, strategy, motivation, coaching, equipment, teammates, leadership, and second chance in life to hone a specific-purpose physique--weighing every bite of food he put in his mouth for more than seven years so as to maximize his power to weight ratio, and ... he juiced too? How jejune.
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Superior training methods, strategy, motivation, coaching, equipment, teammates, leadership, and second chance in life to hone a specific-purpose physique--weighing every bite of food he put in his mouth for more than seven years so as to maximize his power to weight ratio, and ... he juiced too? How jejune.
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Simply stated, he was just a force to be reckoned with. A phenomenon of our time who was bashed and accused with every slander the european media (mainly the french) could throw at him, and he came out smelling like a rose every time.
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So if everyone doped did that make the field even? If so, what advantage did Lance have if everyone else was doing the same thing? Maybe that's where his commitment to training gave him the advantage, dope or not.
To me he is still one of those rare athletes that come once a generation that is just a step better than his competitors.
To me he is still one of those rare athletes that come once a generation that is just a step better than his competitors.
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Rather poor, I think, to bash the brand based only on one's own prejudices, or even if it's true that the entire Western world and professional cycling has become increasingly morally- and ethically-challenged: that's just a slice of a slice of humanity. If you can't give someone like Lance the benefit of the doubt, at least apply a little reason and conclude that if everyone is doing it, then maybe Lance was unbeatable for so long precisely because he wasn't everyone.
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Rather poor, I think, to bash the brand based only on one's own prejudices, or even if it's true that the entire Western world and professional cycling has become increasingly morally- and ethically-challenged: that's just a slice of a slice of humanity. If you can't give someone like Lance the benefit of the doubt, at least apply a little reason and conclude that if everyone is doing it, then maybe Lance was unbeatable for so long precisely because he wasn't everyone.
Everyone with even a slight grip on reality knows that doping is rampant in cycling, as in many other sports. Where the slope gets slippery, is when you begin to lump all the participants together due to the indiscretions of a few. Every individual should be given the benefit of the doubt, until such time as they are proven guilty. Retesting of 7+ year-old urine specimins that have passed through multiple hands is not proof of guilt.
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The elephant blows his brains out, Ulrich gets "the look" and is driven to drugs ... Lance was merciless; he probably did as much drugging as his buddy Eddie Merckx, equals ... zero
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Of course there was at least one other positive test result.
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Lance tested positive in the 99 tour, but had an exemption due to cancer...can anyone fill in the details?
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Personally, I don't think he "cheated".....per se....
Like a few others here , I just think that he was so motivated being given another chance at life, that he was so focused and trained like a mofo, that he was just that much better than the others....I mean, isn't it possible to have a special athlete rise up among the rest and just dominate? ... has that ever happened in the history of sports ??? Who knows.....I just tend to be on the "believe" side of the fence.
....and, of course, the argument of "if he was cheating, and the rest of the guys he was thumping were cheating".....
Like a few others here , I just think that he was so motivated being given another chance at life, that he was so focused and trained like a mofo, that he was just that much better than the others....I mean, isn't it possible to have a special athlete rise up among the rest and just dominate? ... has that ever happened in the history of sports ??? Who knows.....I just tend to be on the "believe" side of the fence.
....and, of course, the argument of "if he was cheating, and the rest of the guys he was thumping were cheating".....
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Personally, I don't think he "cheated".....per se....
Like a few others here , I just think that he was so motivated being given another chance at life, that he was so focused and trained like a mofo, that he was just that much better than the others....I mean, isn't it possible to have a special athlete rise up among the rest and just dominate? ... has that ever happened in the history of sports ??? Who knows.....I just tend to be on the "believe" side of the fence.
....and, of course, the argument of "if he was cheating, and the rest of the guys he was thumping were cheating".....
Like a few others here , I just think that he was so motivated being given another chance at life, that he was so focused and trained like a mofo, that he was just that much better than the others....I mean, isn't it possible to have a special athlete rise up among the rest and just dominate? ... has that ever happened in the history of sports ??? Who knows.....I just tend to be on the "believe" side of the fence.
....and, of course, the argument of "if he was cheating, and the rest of the guys he was thumping were cheating".....
e.g., Tiger Woods?