Doing a dumb experiment...
11-02-19, 08:50 PM
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btw slicks are cool, just order some 26 x 2.0" ThickSlick tires
https://www.wtb.com/products/thickslick
11-02-19, 09:12 PM
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Can’t quite understand it. Either a cut is only through the tread layer, in which case it’s mainly unimportant (unless a piece of grit manages to hit just ”right”), or it’s through the cord, and large enough to allow the tube to herniate, at which point it needs to be booted immediately to keep the tire useful.
Bigger problem in my mind is that the interior rubber won't last. Not a couple hundred miles, maybe not even a couple of miles. There's so little rubber there on some tires that I've seen bulges starting on the uncut thread when they're worn that far.
11-02-19, 09:51 PM
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I've had tire nubs, and the squished middle seam last a while. So, unless the interior rubber is very different from the exterior rubber on the tire, it may last a while. Not sure how long, but I still think one should be able to get 100 miles or so before seriously damaging the carcass.
On at least some tires, I've thought that the thinner the tread gets, the tire becomes more effective at preventing at least certain types of flats. In particular, if one has a tough puncture-proof band, then thin rubber over it will help prevent glass from embedding into the rubber and slowly chewing its way down to the tube.
Slowly inflating to get the bead to seat properly sounds like a bit of an issue, but once properly seated, it may not be a big problem.
Many MTBs have hookless rims. And, I have one 26" MTB with a loose bead for some reason. A big pain to get it centered just perfectly to seat, otherwise it will push off. But once properly inflated, it rides fine.
On at least some tires, I've thought that the thinner the tread gets, the tire becomes more effective at preventing at least certain types of flats. In particular, if one has a tough puncture-proof band, then thin rubber over it will help prevent glass from embedding into the rubber and slowly chewing its way down to the tube.
Slowly inflating to get the bead to seat properly sounds like a bit of an issue, but once properly seated, it may not be a big problem.
Many MTBs have hookless rims. And, I have one 26" MTB with a loose bead for some reason. A big pain to get it centered just perfectly to seat, otherwise it will push off. But once properly inflated, it rides fine.
11-02-19, 10:30 PM
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What could happen?
1. A flat from the tube rubbing against the aggressive tread
2. Damage to the tire's casing material. You've flipped it backwards, which is probably stretching the casing threads in an unnatural way, and there's also just s thin rubber layer between it and the nastiness of your local roads. Damage might not cause an immediate problem, but something in the future after you've returned the tire to its normal-side-out and when you least expect it to happen.
3. Tire comes off the rim. There's usually a bead on the tire that catches a 'channel' on the wheel's metal rim for a secure fit, but an inside-out tire won't have that bead to make it secure. I'd think any bump, turn, or object you hit when you start riding will cause the tire to come off the rim and possibly cause a #1 above.
1. A flat from the tube rubbing against the aggressive tread
2. Damage to the tire's casing material. You've flipped it backwards, which is probably stretching the casing threads in an unnatural way, and there's also just s thin rubber layer between it and the nastiness of your local roads. Damage might not cause an immediate problem, but something in the future after you've returned the tire to its normal-side-out and when you least expect it to happen.
3. Tire comes off the rim. There's usually a bead on the tire that catches a 'channel' on the wheel's metal rim for a secure fit, but an inside-out tire won't have that bead to make it secure. I'd think any bump, turn, or object you hit when you start riding will cause the tire to come off the rim and possibly cause a #1 above.
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11-02-19, 10:37 PM
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This isn't a "fix" for the tear in the tire. That tire is done for and is being replaced, because the tube bulges out it. A proper but temporary fix for that would be a tire boot.
This "experiment" really is just to see what would happen. This isn't meant to be an attempt at a "redneck repair" or anything. I would not expect this to be a fix for anything, or solve any problem - no matter how temporary. It's just one of those "let's see what would happen if I did x because I'm just curious" type things.
A couple disclaimers here... I do not mean to ride it for long or very fast in the "test." Doing so would just be asking to get hurt. I'm moving the tire from the front to the rear because, as previously mentioned, I'm getting a new tire and its going on the front and the tire used in this experiment (the one that's inverted) is going on the rear. In
With that said, I already unmounted the tire. The tube actually doesn't look nearly as badly "damaged" as I thought it might. I thought that anything past 30 PSI would surely pop the tube, but no. It held fine, and they're the cheap "standard thickness" Kenda tubes - no thorn-resistant or heavy-duty tubes here. But then again it was pressurized for just over 24 hours.
As for the tire itself, it seemed to be pretty solid on the rim. I even bounced it a few times on the ground (fairly harshly) and it didn't have any issues. As skidder mentioned, it does have that hook. But I have a 1980s Free Spirit Pinnacle road bike (27x1 1/4") that has old steel rims without the hook where the tires are held in place solely by the pressure. Unless you're inflating to ridiculously high pressures, or riding on a trail or doing some serious cornering, I think it shouldn't have a problem. (In my case, 45 is the max pressure.) The main concern would be the damage to the nylon cords (which is the "structure" of the tire) or the lack of traction.
I may delay this experiment until this tire is worn or it gets replaced in the future, because I'm unsure if I'm going to replace it now and make a matching set. If I do delay, I'll definitely report back to this thread when it happens.
This "experiment" really is just to see what would happen. This isn't meant to be an attempt at a "redneck repair" or anything. I would not expect this to be a fix for anything, or solve any problem - no matter how temporary. It's just one of those "let's see what would happen if I did x because I'm just curious" type things.
A couple disclaimers here... I do not mean to ride it for long or very fast in the "test." Doing so would just be asking to get hurt. I'm moving the tire from the front to the rear because, as previously mentioned, I'm getting a new tire and its going on the front and the tire used in this experiment (the one that's inverted) is going on the rear. In
With that said, I already unmounted the tire. The tube actually doesn't look nearly as badly "damaged" as I thought it might. I thought that anything past 30 PSI would surely pop the tube, but no. It held fine, and they're the cheap "standard thickness" Kenda tubes - no thorn-resistant or heavy-duty tubes here. But then again it was pressurized for just over 24 hours.
As for the tire itself, it seemed to be pretty solid on the rim. I even bounced it a few times on the ground (fairly harshly) and it didn't have any issues. As skidder mentioned, it does have that hook. But I have a 1980s Free Spirit Pinnacle road bike (27x1 1/4") that has old steel rims without the hook where the tires are held in place solely by the pressure. Unless you're inflating to ridiculously high pressures, or riding on a trail or doing some serious cornering, I think it shouldn't have a problem. (In my case, 45 is the max pressure.) The main concern would be the damage to the nylon cords (which is the "structure" of the tire) or the lack of traction.
I may delay this experiment until this tire is worn or it gets replaced in the future, because I'm unsure if I'm going to replace it now and make a matching set. If I do delay, I'll definitely report back to this thread when it happens.
Just remember that on the road you've also got the friction of the tire against the road. "An object in motion wants to continue in motion" which means the the tire will most likely attempt to continue turning when the brake is applied.
Cheers
11-02-19, 10:44 PM
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"Seemed to be pretty solid on the rim" are the operative words. I really do wonder what will happen the very first time the brake is applied. With no bead holding the tire to the rim I'd be quite surprise if the tire stayed on the rim.
Just remember that on the road you've also got the friction of the tire against the road. "An object in motion wants to continue in motion" which means the the tire will most likely attempt to continue turning when the brake is applied.
Cheers
Just remember that on the road you've also got the friction of the tire against the road. "An object in motion wants to continue in motion" which means the the tire will most likely attempt to continue turning when the brake is applied.
Cheers
But I see another potential problem in regard to the bead and it possibly slipping off the rim. With the tire in the normal position, the bead area has a texture to it, which helps you when mounting the tire to tell if it is equidistant from the rim. The problem is, the inverted tire is smooth in that region. I'm wondering if that may have an affect or not. Only one way to find out...
11-02-19, 10:55 PM
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I’m just not sure what to do with this experiment. Seems a bit silly. But who am I say? I was thinking of taking a ride tomorrow with my socks turned inside out. I’ll report back on that later.
11-02-19, 11:06 PM
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There's also practical experiments I'm looking at doing. I recently watched a video on patches where someone looked at how well different types of rubber cement worked. I've been thinking about possibly doing an experiment testing different types of patches - both traditional glueless and glue-on patches, as well as jury-rigged patches made from old tubes, paper, etc. Maybe even testing the knot trick.
So not all of my experiments are impractical. But I've also wanted to see how long riding on a tube (with no tire casing) would last... I'm guessing not too far.
Maybe I'm too curious and have too much time on my hands for my own good.
So not all of my experiments are impractical. But I've also wanted to see how long riding on a tube (with no tire casing) would last... I'm guessing not too far.
Maybe I'm too curious and have too much time on my hands for my own good.
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11-03-19, 01:52 PM
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There's also practical experiments I'm looking at doing. I recently watched a video on patches where someone looked at how well different types of rubber cement worked. I've been thinking about possibly doing an experiment testing different types of patches - both traditional glueless and glue-on patches, as well as jury-rigged patches made from old tubes, paper, etc. Maybe even testing the knot trick.
So not all of my experiments are impractical. But I've also wanted to see how long riding on a tube (with no tire casing) would last... I'm guessing not too far.
Maybe I'm too curious and have too much time on my hands for my own good.
So not all of my experiments are impractical. But I've also wanted to see how long riding on a tube (with no tire casing) would last... I'm guessing not too far.
Maybe I'm too curious and have too much time on my hands for my own good.
Cheers
11-03-19, 06:23 PM
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Not sure why there so many criticism or mockery. The OP had originally stated this was a dumb experiment so why reiterate it over and over again?
The people commenting are like people telling a person who has a mole on his face that he has a mole on his face.
The people commenting are like people telling a person who has a mole on his face that he has a mole on his face.
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11-03-19, 06:58 PM
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I've had instances in the past where I've told friends not to do something that many considered to be dangerous. A couple of times they did it anyway and I got to go to their funerals.
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11-03-19, 07:02 PM
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When a person does something that is abnormal there is always a risk of getting criticized and mocked. That's the reality of life. Doesn't matter if it's on internet forums or in real life. We are all different and we react differently to what we see around us. I am under no obligation to support and " high 5" idiotic behaviour..
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11-03-19, 09:14 PM
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For those concerned about my safety (and the safety of others): I plan on doing this experiment at very low speeds in a particularly safe area (i.e. no traffic, fairly smooth surface, etc.) I don't plan on going fast or far. I believe trying this out on streets or roads at "normal" speeds (10+ MPH) would be asking for injury. I wouldn't definitely go racing on a tire like this... nor would I even go out on the streets or trails.
I said this was a dumb idea - its even in the title. I get it - and I was expecting (and ready for) criticism. But just know that I would do this with safety being top priority.
I will say that I'm not the only one with this idea, nor am I the only one with many of my other ideas. In fact, this was the source video for this whole idea:
Thanks for your concern, but I do want to reiterate that I am taking safety into consideration.
I said this was a dumb idea - its even in the title. I get it - and I was expecting (and ready for) criticism. But just know that I would do this with safety being top priority.
I will say that I'm not the only one with this idea, nor am I the only one with many of my other ideas. In fact, this was the source video for this whole idea:
Thanks for your concern, but I do want to reiterate that I am taking safety into consideration.
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11-03-19, 10:21 PM
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First, recruit a witness so you can say "Hold my beer and watch this". 
IF the tire stays seated long enough, you will wear through the cords fairly rapidly. At that point you will experience the same result as if you wore them through from the tread side.
Wear ear plugs.
IF the tire stays seated long enough, you will wear through the cords fairly rapidly. At that point you will experience the same result as if you wore them through from the tread side.
Wear ear plugs.
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11-04-19, 09:21 AM
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I have found that when you turn your underwear inside out you can wear them a few days longer.
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11-04-19, 09:48 AM
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ride the bike and report back. it may work just fine. or not
were you not curious after you made the change? I would have had to have ridden it right then
were you not curious after you made the change? I would have had to have ridden it right then
11-04-19, 10:32 AM
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But, yes, if someone is making a claim based on a study or experiment, it's more than reasonable to look at the validity of the study or experiment.
11-04-19, 11:29 AM
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At least you admit that it's dumb, because it is.
It's one thing to think of new ways to do something, but it's just stupid to use a product in the complete opposite manner for which it was designed, all the while knowing that what you're attempting is inherently unsafe.
Ever read a ridiculous warning label on a product and think, who in the hell would do that?? Well, now we know.
It's one thing to think of new ways to do something, but it's just stupid to use a product in the complete opposite manner for which it was designed, all the while knowing that what you're attempting is inherently unsafe.
Ever read a ridiculous warning label on a product and think, who in the hell would do that?? Well, now we know.
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You guys!
I was looking through my spam folder and I noticed that I got an email from the OP a week ago, asking, BEGGING for us to prevent him from riding on this tire. It turned out that riding inside out tires was the ticket for one way travel back in time. He is now in a loop unless we interrupt it and break the cycle.
I was looking through my spam folder and I noticed that I got an email from the OP a week ago, asking, BEGGING for us to prevent him from riding on this tire. It turned out that riding inside out tires was the ticket for one way travel back in time. He is now in a loop unless we interrupt it and break the cycle.
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11-04-19, 12:01 PM
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Y'all need to stop giving me ideas for shortening my already precarious life. I kinda miss the Jackass and Bam Margera shows. But I'm so old now I break instead of bounce, so I'll just enjoy the cool stories from the bros who actually dare to defy.