icemilkcoffee 

How did you measure the hub spacing? 5/14" is like 133mm. Are you measuring the over length of the axle? You need to be measuring the width between the frame dropout:

It should be either 120mm or 126mm unless it was altered.

choddo

You seem to have a bit of experience with bikes so is there enough extra room in those horizontal dropouts to get a 700c wheel in and meet the brakes (you want a 5speed freewheel so clearly not a fixie) and not hit the seat tube?

Duragrouch

I agree with this question. 27" is 630mm bead seat diameter, 700c is 622. So 8mm difference in diameter, 4mm in radius, so moving the axle forward 4mm will present the same clearance to seat tube (assuming same tire section height), however since the brakes are on the seatstays at perhaps 45 degree angle(?), 4mm/cos(45) = 5.6mm (estimate) you would need to move the axle forward to use 700c rims, *without moving the brake pads*; If you can move the brake pads down 4mm, you can have the 700c axle in the same place as the 27". If it's a track frame with horizontal dropouts, moving the axle forward may be possible, but again, perhaps not necessary. I don't know track frames... does it even have a rear brake mount?

Speaking of mounts, does it have a rear derailleur mount? If not, you can use a "claw mount", either separate, or integral with the derailleur.

Oh, you may have said track *wheels*, not track frame.

Outer Locknut Distance (OLD), the inside width between the frame rear dropouts is everything. But if a common standard for wheels with rear freewheels or cassettes, you have a great choice of wheelsets available in 700c, way more than 27".

Knowing answers to the above, will help. I agree with asking questions online, we just need enough info. My wild-@ss guess on your (Original Poster, OP's) 10-speed being a 5-speed freewheel, was useful. Just not current terminology, but no worries. Usually, a LBS could answer your (OP's) questions in 60 seconds if you brought wheels and frame to them, but I totally get it if you are way far and a full tank of fuel round trip away from them. Conversations online also help remedy emotional isolation if that far from everything. We're here for ya. Just don't confuse questions we need to ask to convey solutions, versus snide remarks. A lot of folks get jaded or emotionally reckless online, and this can be emotionally cruel to someone like yourself (OP) that just needs help. I'd ask you to private message me, except that a) you may not have enough posts to allow that, and b) I'm not an authority on track frames and their OLD spacing and dropouts.

Kind thoughts. Consider the above, ask further.

Camilo

Bike jambalaya : I might suggest a clean re-set with an organized summary. People are talking past each other and not addressing or not understanding what you need.

1 Year and model of bike - not really necessary but might help
2 a photo of the current tires with the size displayed
3 a photo of the front and rear brakes to show if there's any additional vertical (up or down) adjustment that can be made
4 an accurate measurement of the rear dropout (not wheel axle) - inside to inside as illustrated above.
5 your weight
6 your expected riding pattern.
7 a photo of the current shifters and front and rear derailleurs
8 a photo of the current rear sprocket cluster

I think with this info, people will be able to easily give you pointers to actual wheels and sources.

And to make it really fresh and get past all of what's been going on here, post this question and the above info in the Classic and Vintage forum. The folks there are nice and helpful.

Good luck, I hope this thread settles down into constructive information for you.

Bike jambalaya

Vaguely literally means I did not say that.

I actually failed to clearly state that I was not looking for wheels

I want to say I failed at clearly stating that I had already found locally track wheels in a 36 and 32 spoke configuration
*that are of 700c size

I guess I should not have not thought to use "track wheels" as a nomenclature for a 622 or 700c wheel. My bad

Bike jambalaya

Yes it was no more than a 1/4 inch smaller than the hub spacing of 5 1/4 inches

Duragrouch

Progress.

"There are no bad students, only bad teachers." - Miyagi-san

choddo

Probably 126mm then, that would be 5inches.

Dan Burkhart 

What everyone so far has failed to grasp is that track wheels usually do not have enough axle protrusion with the stock axle to accommodate a multi speed freewheel, even a five speed one.. if the hub is a cup and cone type (unlikely but possible) the axle could be swapped for a longer one and spacers added.
the more likely scenario is that it has cartridge bearings with a dedicated axle.

bboy314

Honestly still confused about what’s actually being asked, but here’s perhaps a simple helpful answer:

NO, you do not want track wheels for your bike, unless you wish to convert it to single speed.

bboy314

Every one of these sentences confuses me.

choddo

I think I get what he was saying
1. The term "vaguely" that was used, literally means it was not what he actually said (what he said was he acquired a bike with 27" wheels, not that he wanted to get some more 27" wheels)
2. He admits he didn't explicitly say he was looking for wheels, but that he wanted to know how / if he could get a track wheel to fit a 5speed freewheel on that frame.
3. He thinks he probably should have said the track wheels he'd found were not 27" but 700C and they had the number of spokes he thought could be beneficial
4. He thinks the focus on track wheels. because he'd found those, probably obscured his general interest in getting some 700C wheels and a wider initial question might have helped the conversation.

icemilkcoffee 

"No more than a 1/4 inch smaller than". OK. so it can be anywhere between 127mm to 133mm. Anyways, track wheels have 120mm hub spacing. So that one is a no go. Assuming you measured everything correctly I am going to guess that somebody somewhere along the line had set the frame spacing to 130mm. Luckily there are 100's of 130mm spaced 700c wheels on your local craigslist and in your local bike co-op . These are extremely common on the used market.

Barry2 

Lucillle

https://www.bikeforums.net/bicycle-m...cle-tires.html

Bike jambalaya

That thread is pinnacle. My new method of started threads here. Pleading everyone ask all that they desire to know before. Before I put any effort into forming an actual question.
Seems like starting threads with no knowledge of what the community needs or wants to know is ass backwards. So it's logical to me to ask everyone what they want to know before I ask anything.

Camilo

Why are you ignoring post #54?

SoSmellyAir

Because post #54 is too well-organized and does not fit within OP's stream-of-consciousness literary framework.

veganbikes

Rear spacing? QR or nutted? Wheel size? Actual freewheel or cassette? Actual number of cogs on whatever is actually back there...basically what wheel you actually needed.

Camilo had some excellent questions as well you failed to answer.

So you are lying about the location of your bike shop? Why the need to lie? You are anonymous internet poster no need to lie like that. Just tell the truth. The reason we suggested you go to your local bicycle shop again is because you need help and they can help you. You are a bit combative online but being able to bring in the bike and show it to someone live will allow you the ability for someone to say "this is the wheel you need" from looking at your bike or "or here are some wheels that would work". It would make your life easier and prevent you from avoiding useful information even more and having to fight with everyone because they gave you good advice.

wheelreason

The best jambalayas are the one where you just throw in what you got on hand, so....
If I understood correctly (no guarantee of that) I think I saw where "track wheels" meant 700c road wheels, but I'm punchy from all the nonsense to be sure...

70sSanO

Unfortunately I think this is becoming just another internet exercise. Maybe a bit of chatbot with some tweaking.

If you look at the OP’s other threads, they all have a certain vagueness and they all lack any substance.

The OP has stated elsewhere, that he has been building bikes for years and is getting back to road bikes. No one who has that experience is not aware of what information is needed.

Just another typical winter on BF.

John

Duragrouch

(After listening to a long monologue in cockney rhyming slang): "There's one thing I don't understand. The thing I don't understand is every MFing word you just said." - DEA agent, The Limey (1999)

smd4

You're going about it ass-backwards. But you know that. You've put yourself on the fast-track to being summarily ignored on any future questions.

smd4

Probably another lie.

Bike jambalaya

What is post #54