If you get doored, who's at fault?
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So, The motorist doesn't bear ANY RESPONSIBILITY. That is EGREGIOUSLY WRONG. Cyclists are not the only 'entity'. That they have to look out for. When opening a vehicle door.
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has absolute control over whether or not they get doored.
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^This, exactly. I ride mostly in Virginia, Maryland and the District. Also in North Carolina. The bicyclist is responsible for his own safety. Do not ride in the door zone. If you must, then slow down, ride defensively, check parked cars that you approach for signs of a driver sitting or moving, have your hands poised on the brakes, and get the heck out of there as you're able.
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^This, exactly. I ride mostly in Virginia, Maryland and the District. Also in North Carolina. The bicyclist is responsible for his own safety. Do not ride in the door zone. If you must, then slow down, ride defensively, check parked cars that you approach for signs of a driver sitting or moving, have your hands poised on the brakes, and get the heck out of there as you're able.
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While a cyclist shouldn't ride in the 'door zone'. The cyclist doesn't control, when a door will open. Even so, when a motorist opens their door on the traffic-side. Not only should they look for motorized traffic. They should also look for pedestrians, and cyclists. So, The responsibility is on the motorist.
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Creative, no. Realistic, yes.
While a cyclist shouldn't ride in the 'door zone'. The cyclist doesn't control, when a door will open. Even so, when a motorist opens their door on the traffic-side. Not only should they look for motorized traffic. They should also look for pedestrians, and cyclists. So, The responsibility is on the motorist.
While a cyclist shouldn't ride in the 'door zone'. The cyclist doesn't control, when a door will open. Even so, when a motorist opens their door on the traffic-side. Not only should they look for motorized traffic. They should also look for pedestrians, and cyclists. So, The responsibility is on the motorist.
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Good luck with your "research."
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This is going to turn into one of those '90s movies where you'll be having a great time talking to each other when you sit next to each other on a plane, then after a three day bar crawl together you suddenly realize who it is you're hanging out with.
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If you are riding in the glove compartment zone you are doing it wrong.
Frankly, whatever you are doing in the glove compartment zone you are doing it wrong.
(Unless you are storing or retrieving gloves.... Does anyone really store gloves?)
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Frankly, whatever you are doing in the glove compartment zone you are doing it wrong.
(Unless you are storing or retrieving gloves.... Does anyone really store gloves?)
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Everybody knows that the real action is in the cup holder zone.
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Per Colorado Drivers manual p.31
Cause of Collision: Motorist opening a vehicle door without looking behind for a passing bicyclist.
How to prevent: Always check behind you before opening a door into the roadway.
I'm pretty sure I would look in the mirror on the door also.
How to prevent: Always check behind you before opening a door into the roadway.
I'm pretty sure I would look in the mirror on the door also.
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This response goes back to my question I posted in this thread "If you ride on the road and get struck, whose fault is it, bicyclist or driver?"
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In general:
Legally: The driver/passenger
Morally: Whoever decided to put a bike lane adjacent to door zone (if this was the situation)
Practically: The cyclist
Legally: The driver/passenger
Morally: Whoever decided to put a bike lane adjacent to door zone (if this was the situation)
Practically: The cyclist
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Yes, bike riders should be aware of the risk and try to take proactive precautions, but all this "stay out of the door zone," stuff is wildly oversimplified. In many places, staying out of the the door zone means you will never be able to get anywhere by bike.
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Creative, no. Realistic, yes.
While a cyclist shouldn't ride in the 'door zone'. The cyclist doesn't control, when a door will open. Even so, when a motorist opens their door on the traffic-side. Not only should they look for motorized traffic. They should also look for pedestrians, and cyclists. So, The responsibility is on the motorist.
While a cyclist shouldn't ride in the 'door zone'. The cyclist doesn't control, when a door will open. Even so, when a motorist opens their door on the traffic-side. Not only should they look for motorized traffic. They should also look for pedestrians, and cyclists. So, The responsibility is on the motorist.
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A&S is fault-obsessed. I'm a lot more concerned with avoiding the crash than I am figuring out who would be at fault for the hypothetical crash I haven't had.
mr_bill has it right. Riding on the road involves constant balancing of risks, when city riding, you always have to figure out where in the road you are safest, and each position has its own risks. The only way to be risk-free is not to ride, but then you run the risks associated with whatever else you do instead.
Only the dead run no risks.
mr_bill has it right. Riding on the road involves constant balancing of risks, when city riding, you always have to figure out where in the road you are safest, and each position has its own risks. The only way to be risk-free is not to ride, but then you run the risks associated with whatever else you do instead.
Only the dead run no risks.
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Here is how to avoid getting doored in heavy traffic. This applies to moving cars, but it also applies to parked cars.
Beware of your surroundings, but also watch the head of the motorist that is next or a length ahead of you on your right. Invariably, right before opening their door into you their head position will change.
Typically they will look left seconds prior to opening their door into you. Follow the head, if you see them turning left than chances are good they are going to open their door into you.
So, always keep their head in your peripheral vision. If it turns left you need to be on your brakes prior to them opening the door. Also, stay aware of what is on your left, so that if you need an out and were not on the brakes you can escape. The problem in heavy traffic is you will often have a car a couple of inches away from you on your left, so you can't take evasive action. If you are on your brakes as soon as you see the head turn you should be OK.
Assume that anyone in a parked car is going to open their door.
Beware of your surroundings, but also watch the head of the motorist that is next or a length ahead of you on your right. Invariably, right before opening their door into you their head position will change.
Typically they will look left seconds prior to opening their door into you. Follow the head, if you see them turning left than chances are good they are going to open their door into you.
So, always keep their head in your peripheral vision. If it turns left you need to be on your brakes prior to them opening the door. Also, stay aware of what is on your left, so that if you need an out and were not on the brakes you can escape. The problem in heavy traffic is you will often have a car a couple of inches away from you on your left, so you can't take evasive action. If you are on your brakes as soon as you see the head turn you should be OK.
Assume that anyone in a parked car is going to open their door.
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