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08-29-19, 11:57 AM
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Bertoni?
Any idea on model/year and value for this Bertoni? Sorry, this is the only pic I have.
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Not sure if this is of any help really but,
if it is Columbus matrix tubing I Believe, I just seen same thing with Shimano 600 groupset for about 100 dollars at swap meet
if it is Columbus matrix tubing I Believe, I just seen same thing with Shimano 600 groupset for about 100 dollars at swap meet
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...Bertoni is one of those american direct import house brands for frames built in Italy under contract. Not sure where they were painted. They generally go relatively cheaply here, given the overall quality of many of the best ones. They even sold some Bertoni branded Alan aluminum frames. That one looks rough, but the frame details look OK.
Univega is a brand of bicycles, created during the bike boom of the 1970s by Ben Lawee (1926–2002),[1] who founded Lawee Inc. to design, specify, and import bicycles initially manufactured in Italy by Italvega, and subsequently in Japan by Miyata.
Prior to creating the Univega brand, Lawee had been the importer of Motobécane bicycles in the U.S. and had created the Italvega in Italy. His Bertoni brand appeared after the creation of Univega.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Univega
Prior to creating the Univega brand, Lawee had been the importer of Motobécane bicycles in the U.S. and had created the Italvega in Italy. His Bertoni brand appeared after the creation of Univega.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Univega
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Catalogs can be found online. I have had several of these go through my hands. I had one in this color and it looks nice. It's a nice rider. More pics, details, location needed for accurate value. Market is soft as you may be aware.
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C. 1987 Bertoni Nuovoitalia,
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Didn't another company make most Bertonis...? Like Chesini...or something?
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Bertoni bikes are good solid bikes but I don't think they were around long enough to acquire a bike following. The mid level CroMor and SL frames with 600 seemed to be midly popular and most common. I would buy one to check them out, if I ever came across one in my size.
In I believe '92 Univega didn't go to interbike or something so they had this big ta doo at the Mansfield Mass warehouse complex. They had some beautiful Bertoni frames on display including a MAX in a paint scheme reminiscent of some Italy's finest like Tommisini.
They were a boutique brand of Univega
It is my understanding that Bianchi was a contractor for some of the frames, particularly the ones with flatish seat stays.
In I believe '92 Univega didn't go to interbike or something so they had this big ta doo at the Mansfield Mass warehouse complex. They had some beautiful Bertoni frames on display including a MAX in a paint scheme reminiscent of some Italy's finest like Tommisini.
...Bertoni is one of those american direct import house brands for frames built in Italy under contract. Not sure where they were painted. They generally go relatively cheaply here, given the overall quality of many of the best ones. They even sold some Bertoni branded Alan aluminum frames. That one looks rough, but the frame details look OK.
It is my understanding that Bianchi was a contractor for some of the frames, particularly the ones with flatish seat stays.
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08-31-19, 11:58 AM
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Bertoni bikes are good solid bikes but I don't think they were around long enough to acquire a bike following. The mid level CroMor and SL frames with 600 seemed to be midly popular and most common. I would buy one to check them out, if I ever came across one in my size.
In I believe '92 Univega didn't go to interbike or something so they had this big ta doo at the Mansfield Mass warehouse complex. They had some beautiful Bertoni frames on display including a MAX in a paint scheme reminiscent of some Italy's finest like Tommisini.
They were a boutique brand of Univega
It is my understanding that Bianchi was a contractor for some of the frames, particularly the ones with flatish seat stays.
In I believe '92 Univega didn't go to interbike or something so they had this big ta doo at the Mansfield Mass warehouse complex. They had some beautiful Bertoni frames on display including a MAX in a paint scheme reminiscent of some Italy's finest like Tommisini.
They were a boutique brand of Univega
It is my understanding that Bianchi was a contractor for some of the frames, particularly the ones with flatish seat stays.
Bertoni
Bertoni was a brand created by Ben Lawee circa-1980. The frames were manufactured in Italy by Daccordi, sometimes mistakenly assigned to Bianchi, which had no connection to the Bertoni brand other than Ben Lawee's Bianchi imports during the 1960s. Earlier Bertonis have frame details that are similar to the Torresini-made Italvegas. The 1984 and later steel frames do not bear the typical Torresini details. These "second series" frames all utilized Columbus tubesets of Matrix, SL or SLX type tubing and featured Columbus "short point" lugs and Cinelli-type Columbus bottom brackets & semi-sloping fork crowns. Seat stay lugs were Gipiemme, brazed into the contour of the rear quarters of the seat tube lug. Other braze-ons were also Gipiemme, including the two styles of brake stay bridges used, depending on the model, and the induction-cast "box arch" chainstay bridge which was common to all steel Bertonis, with the exception of the TSX model - the frame of which was obviously the Daccordi Griffe, but with Bertoni inscriptions and decals. Dropouts were forged Columbus on the lower/mid range and Campagnolo for the upscale models. The line emphasized function over flash (except for the "flash" of the 'cromovelato' - thin paint over chrome - paint jobs) and received favorable press regarding overall functionality and quality, as well as the ride/handling of the steel-frame models. The line itself was fairly large, comprising nine bicycles in 1988. The range included a disc-wheeled TT bicycle and a Bador (Vitus) aluminum model.
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This is from wikipedia. I have no idea how accurate it is:
Bertoni
Bertoni was a brand created by Ben Lawee circa-1980. The frames were manufactured in Italy by Daccordi, sometimes mistakenly assigned to Bianchi, which had no connection to the Bertoni brand other than Ben Lawee's Bianchi imports during the 1960s. Earlier Bertonis have frame details that are similar to the Torresini-made Italvegas. The 1984 and later steel frames do not bear the typical Torresini details. These "second series" frames all utilized Columbus tubesets of Matrix, SL or SLX type tubing and featured Columbus "short point" lugs and Cinelli-type Columbus bottom brackets & semi-sloping fork crowns. Seat stay lugs were Gipiemme, brazed into the contour of the rear quarters of the seat tube lug. Other braze-ons were also Gipiemme, including the two styles of brake stay bridges used, depending on the model, and the induction-cast "box arch" chainstay bridge which was common to all steel Bertonis, with the exception of the TSX model - the frame of which was obviously the Daccordi Griffe, but with Bertoni inscriptions and decals. Dropouts were forged Columbus on the lower/mid range and Campagnolo for the upscale models. The line emphasized function over flash (except for the "flash" of the 'cromovelato' - thin paint over chrome - paint jobs) and received favorable press regarding overall functionality and quality, as well as the ride/handling of the steel-frame models. The line itself was fairly large, comprising nine bicycles in 1988. The range included a disc-wheeled TT bicycle and a Bador (Vitus) aluminum model.
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10-20-19, 04:16 PM
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There was a Bertoni model that looked *very much* like a Griffe, including paint effects. As for other Bertonis I fail to see the Daccordi resemblance.
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But it should be no surprise. Lawee didn't half ass it.
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What color did you get?
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