Most-annoying vehicles for bikers
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a bit unlrelated...
i saw a cool feature on a new pickup truck recently...i pulled up in front of a dually with huge side view mirrors at a light, and stayed far to the right in the bike lane as i knew they would pass me, and didn't want to get smacked.
what I saw instead was that after they passed me, the mirror (which had been folded back on approach), unfolded back to its open position after the truck passed me.
i'd guess this feature is more out of interest to protect the mirror than cyclists, but i'll take it.
i saw a cool feature on a new pickup truck recently...i pulled up in front of a dually with huge side view mirrors at a light, and stayed far to the right in the bike lane as i knew they would pass me, and didn't want to get smacked.
what I saw instead was that after they passed me, the mirror (which had been folded back on approach), unfolded back to its open position after the truck passed me.
i'd guess this feature is more out of interest to protect the mirror than cyclists, but i'll take it.
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And then they get annoyed that you slowed to make sure they're not going to move. But they're already 5' past the stop line.
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Careless, sadistic, or just bad drivers are more of a concern than any specific type of vehicle. I do find that professional drivers are generally safer to be around than average yayhoos. Was riding with some friends in the mountains after storms had brought down dirt and debris and dozens of dump trucks were working all day and these drivers were so cool and careful and even waved us around them on descents when they had to go slow. Of course we were buzzed by an idiot in a small car the same day.
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I’m one of those ebike riders and yes, I can go faster than many analog riders, but there are many more speedy road bike riders passing me when I’m at 18 mph on my local MUP. They’re going close to 30.
So the real issues are cyclists going too fast for the conditions on a MUP or anywhere. And cyclists who don’t announce their passing. And walker/runners with headphones who ignore the bells and “on-your-lefts” and when on the street any driver who can’t cope with bikes.
In other words, a*holes. For whom there is no known cure.
So the real issues are cyclists going too fast for the conditions on a MUP or anywhere. And cyclists who don’t announce their passing. And walker/runners with headphones who ignore the bells and “on-your-lefts” and when on the street any driver who can’t cope with bikes.
In other words, a*holes. For whom there is no known cure.
I have trouble understanding 18 or 20 mph being ok on an MUP, actually! I assume "cyclists going too fast includes a dollop of concert for eBikes going too fast, or not having the skills to handle emergencies on those machines. Do their brakes have to meet a safety standard? Think of the families, seniors, children, and dogs on leashes. My city as of late does not agree. Our proposed Vision Zero plan calls for 20 mph max on streets where children are playing or will be crossing, but that is based on injuries from car to pedestrian collisions, I don't know about eBike to pedestrian collisions - eBikes, like regular bikes, don't have any smooth surfaces - it's all rigid objects that would strike a pedestrian.
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Ebikes are digital, because conventional bikes are analog? If I have a cyclocomputer on my "analog" bike, does it become "digital?"
I have trouble understanding 18 or 20 mph being ok on an MUP, actually! I assume "cyclists going too fast includes a dollop of concert for eBikes going too fast, or not having the skills to handle emergencies on those machines. Do their brakes have to meet a safety standard? Think of the families, seniors, children, and dogs on leashes. My city as of late does not agree. Our proposed Vision Zero plan calls for 20 mph max on streets where children are playing or will be crossing, but that is based on injuries from car to pedestrian collisions, I don't know about eBike to pedestrian collisions - eBikes, like regular bikes, don't have any smooth surfaces - it's all rigid objects that would strike a pedestrian.
I have trouble understanding 18 or 20 mph being ok on an MUP, actually! I assume "cyclists going too fast includes a dollop of concert for eBikes going too fast, or not having the skills to handle emergencies on those machines. Do their brakes have to meet a safety standard? Think of the families, seniors, children, and dogs on leashes. My city as of late does not agree. Our proposed Vision Zero plan calls for 20 mph max on streets where children are playing or will be crossing, but that is based on injuries from car to pedestrian collisions, I don't know about eBike to pedestrian collisions - eBikes, like regular bikes, don't have any smooth surfaces - it's all rigid objects that would strike a pedestrian.
Other than on weekends, most of the cyclists on my local MUP are riding at about 12-15 MPH. Some are slower, say 8-12. Some are very slow, barely faster than a walker. Some, including most of the cycling groups around here, average 15-18. In addition, especially early in the day, there are the folks I’ll call the racers. They pass me with a woosh. Probably going 25 to 300 or even faster. (I’ve seen riders keeping up with cars where the speed limit is 35.) Then there are the skaters and skate boarders who are usually slow, but more importantly for this discussion have poor direction control. There are walkers, runners, horseback riders, and so forth.
I try to be a good citizen, ringing my bell and “on my left-ing”. My average speed is 12-16 mph. I’ll go much faster on an open down hill stretch. It’s fun and without other riders not a big safety issue. My biggest challenge is passing. I can accelerate very quickly, even up hill. I consider it safe to pass quickly than to hover on someone’s shoulder. I drive my car that way too. I hate passing someone going 50 with a 55 speed limit and sticking to 50. I think it’s safe to go 60 or even 65 to get by. I do the same on the MUP where I think it’s even more important since so many on the trail wobble or are otherwise unpredictable.
Cyclists are like everyone else. Some people are about the welfare of others wear face masks, others do not. Some people drive pickups spewing carbon filled smoke, others drive hybrids. It’s not electric versus traditional bicycles or ebike vs analog. It’s different sorts of idiots. (Per Dilbert, we’re all idiots.)
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A relatively new form of vehicular sadism is the so called "rolling coal" where the sadistic bastard modifies his diesel truck, I think by installing a manual boost control, so that he can pour huge amounts of black smoke on cyclists or pedestrians. A kid did this to us once and my friend chased after the truck when he got stopped by traffic. The stupid driver freaked and in his haste to escape he made a right turn and almost hit some pedestrians.
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Sadistic? You know, the ones who buzz you with a "punishment pass", or the ones who throw bottles or cans, or the ones who, coming the other direction, pretend like they are going to hit you head on and pull away at the last second and scream or spit (this happened to me and friends a lot in the south). Or even the passengers who squirt cyclists with squirt guns with unknown liquid or shoot cyclists with BB guns ( saw one get caught doing that). There was a group in LA shooting cyclists with a paintball gun and video taping it. They got caught.
A relatively new form of vehicular sadism is the so called "rolling coal" where the sadistic bastard modifies his diesel truck, I think by installing a manual boost control, so that he can pour huge amounts of black smoke on cyclists or pedestrians. A kid did this to us once and my friend chased after the truck when he got stopped by traffic. The stupid driver freaked and in his haste to escape he made a right turn and almost hit some pedestrians.
A relatively new form of vehicular sadism is the so called "rolling coal" where the sadistic bastard modifies his diesel truck, I think by installing a manual boost control, so that he can pour huge amounts of black smoke on cyclists or pedestrians. A kid did this to us once and my friend chased after the truck when he got stopped by traffic. The stupid driver freaked and in his haste to escape he made a right turn and almost hit some pedestrians.
A very veteran cycle racer on another forum once talked about dealing with violent or abusive drivers back in his day, 1940s. He talked about carrying a 6" adjustable crescent wrench tied to a string or thong and whipping it at the bodywork, side window or windshield of the offender's car. Now in his '80s, he's still running his bike shop.
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I would have said "violent."
A very veteran cycle racer on another forum once talked about dealing with violent or abusive drivers back in his day, 1940s. He talked about carrying a 6" adjustable crescent wrench tied to a string or thong and whipping it at the bodywork, side window or windshield of the offender's car. Now in his '80s, he's still running his bike shop.
A very veteran cycle racer on another forum once talked about dealing with violent or abusive drivers back in his day, 1940s. He talked about carrying a 6" adjustable crescent wrench tied to a string or thong and whipping it at the bodywork, side window or windshield of the offender's car. Now in his '80s, he's still running his bike shop.
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'Silverheads' pulling a trailer. Period. They think they're past you, but the damn trailer is a foot wider than the tow vehicle...
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Analog is a term of art I picked up elsewhere that balances well with ebike. Otherwise, I agree it’s not a good fit.
Other than on weekends, most of the cyclists on my local MUP are riding at about 12-15 MPH. Some are slower, say 8-12. Some are very slow, barely faster than a walker. Some, including most of the cycling groups around here, average 15-18. In addition, especially early in the day, there are the folks I’ll call the racers. They pass me with a woosh. Probably going 25 to 300 or even faster. (I’ve seen riders keeping up with cars where the speed limit is 35.) Then there are the skaters and skate boarders who are usually slow, but more importantly for this discussion have poor direction control. There are walkers, runners, horseback riders, and so forth.
I try to be a good citizen, ringing my bell and “on my left-ing”. My average speed is 12-16 mph. I’ll go much faster on an open down hill stretch. It’s fun and without other riders not a big safety issue. My biggest challenge is passing. I can accelerate very quickly, even up hill. I consider it safe to pass quickly than to hover on someone’s shoulder. I drive my car that way too. I hate passing someone going 50 with a 55 speed limit and sticking to 50. I think it’s safe to go 60 or even 65 to get by. I do the same on the MUP where I think it’s even more important since so many on the trail wobble or are otherwise unpredictable.
Cyclists are like everyone else. Some people are about the welfare of others wear face masks, others do not. Some people drive pickups spewing carbon filled smoke, others drive hybrids. It’s not electric versus traditional bicycles or ebike vs analog. It’s different sorts of idiots. (Per Dilbert, we’re all idiots.)
Other than on weekends, most of the cyclists on my local MUP are riding at about 12-15 MPH. Some are slower, say 8-12. Some are very slow, barely faster than a walker. Some, including most of the cycling groups around here, average 15-18. In addition, especially early in the day, there are the folks I’ll call the racers. They pass me with a woosh. Probably going 25 to 300 or even faster. (I’ve seen riders keeping up with cars where the speed limit is 35.) Then there are the skaters and skate boarders who are usually slow, but more importantly for this discussion have poor direction control. There are walkers, runners, horseback riders, and so forth.
I try to be a good citizen, ringing my bell and “on my left-ing”. My average speed is 12-16 mph. I’ll go much faster on an open down hill stretch. It’s fun and without other riders not a big safety issue. My biggest challenge is passing. I can accelerate very quickly, even up hill. I consider it safe to pass quickly than to hover on someone’s shoulder. I drive my car that way too. I hate passing someone going 50 with a 55 speed limit and sticking to 50. I think it’s safe to go 60 or even 65 to get by. I do the same on the MUP where I think it’s even more important since so many on the trail wobble or are otherwise unpredictable.
Cyclists are like everyone else. Some people are about the welfare of others wear face masks, others do not. Some people drive pickups spewing carbon filled smoke, others drive hybrids. It’s not electric versus traditional bicycles or ebike vs analog. It’s different sorts of idiots. (Per Dilbert, we’re all idiots.)
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As long as they don't have digital saddles...
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Yes it does. In the field in which I worked before I retired it was the opposite of digital.
I suppose the usage may be a result of the emergence of “smart bike” features on the latest e-bikes. For example, the ability to program levels of assist and automate assist to support battery life control for distance, ride duration or heart beat range. As e-bikes become more like computers on two wheels these smart features will become ever more prevalent.
Bikes that lack these capabilities, therefore are analog. As I was writing this I realize that cycling computers are giving non-e-bike riders similar options that parallel e-bike’s, just manually performed. Not sure whether that makes traditional bikes more digital or since computer suggestions are manually performed more analog.
Darn English imprecision.
I suppose the usage may be a result of the emergence of “smart bike” features on the latest e-bikes. For example, the ability to program levels of assist and automate assist to support battery life control for distance, ride duration or heart beat range. As e-bikes become more like computers on two wheels these smart features will become ever more prevalent.
Bikes that lack these capabilities, therefore are analog. As I was writing this I realize that cycling computers are giving non-e-bike riders similar options that parallel e-bike’s, just manually performed. Not sure whether that makes traditional bikes more digital or since computer suggestions are manually performed more analog.
Darn English imprecision.
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Yes it does. In the field in which I worked before I retired it was the opposite of digital.
I suppose the usage may be a result of the emergence of “smart bike” features on the latest e-bikes. For example, the ability to program levels of assist and automate assist to support battery life control for distance, ride duration or heart beat range. As e-bikes become more like computers on two wheels these smart features will become ever more prevalent.
Bikes that lack these capabilities, therefore are analog. As I was writing this I realize that cycling computers are giving non-e-bike riders similar options that parallel e-bike’s, just manually performed. Not sure whether that makes traditional bikes more digital or since computer suggestions are manually performed more analog.
Darn English imprecision.
I suppose the usage may be a result of the emergence of “smart bike” features on the latest e-bikes. For example, the ability to program levels of assist and automate assist to support battery life control for distance, ride duration or heart beat range. As e-bikes become more like computers on two wheels these smart features will become ever more prevalent.
Bikes that lack these capabilities, therefore are analog. As I was writing this I realize that cycling computers are giving non-e-bike riders similar options that parallel e-bike’s, just manually performed. Not sure whether that makes traditional bikes more digital or since computer suggestions are manually performed more analog.
Darn English imprecision.
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1/ Pickup trucks with huge side-view mirrors (that could clip you)
2/ BMWs (aggresive fast drivers that blast past you)
3/ Mercedes (ditto)
4/ Landscaping trucks pulling trailers loaded with equipment (you think you're safe when the truck passes, but don't forget that trailer)
5/ Parked running vehicles on right shoulder (getting doored... )
2/ BMWs (aggresive fast drivers that blast past you)
3/ Mercedes (ditto)
4/ Landscaping trucks pulling trailers loaded with equipment (you think you're safe when the truck passes, but don't forget that trailer)
5/ Parked running vehicles on right shoulder (getting doored... )
I'm so disappointed to find that my GoPro wasn't running - I'd be sharing it with local PD and YouTube - I'm sure PD won't really care, but it seems like a good idea to document drivers with road rage issues.
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All of the above and a new one for me yesterday. Person on a bike pulled out of a driveway on the wrong side of the road and was texting. This is a posted 25 MPH road where most traffic is doing 35 to 40, I was going about 18-20 MPH. If I swerved to the left I would have been hit by the car, stayed too far right and into the wrong way bike. Her (?) head was down looking at the phone until I yelled "hey watch out". Fortunately the car driver was paying more attention then the rider on the other bike and gave me some room. This is one reason why I video my rides.
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All of the above and a new one for me yesterday. Person on a bike pulled out of a driveway on the wrong side of the road and was texting. This is a posted 25 MPH road where most traffic is doing 35 to 40, I was going about 18-20 MPH. If I swerved to the left I would have been hit by the car, stayed too far right and into the wrong way bike. Her (?) head was down looking at the phone until I yelled "hey watch out". Fortunately the car driver was paying more attention then the rider on the other bike and gave me some room. This is one reason why I video my rides.
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Mine was the "Bad Witch" in the White BMW yesterday.... Despite my taking the lane, pos squeezed down the yellow line, against oncoming traffic, to advance 50 FEET, to WAIT IN LINE, all the while TEXTING
Since this "virtuous example" professed to trusting in mythology, I easily rolled up even and, in my most booming drill sergeant voice, bellowed out, "IF YOU BELIEVE IN GOD, WHY DO YOU DRIVE LIKE SATAN? !!!Having gotten her addled-prima-donna attention, I pointed to my helmet and gave an exagerated thumbs down... cause, brah, you got a bad brain. Rolled on my way....
Since this "virtuous example" professed to trusting in mythology, I easily rolled up even and, in my most booming drill sergeant voice, bellowed out, "IF YOU BELIEVE IN GOD, WHY DO YOU DRIVE LIKE SATAN? !!!Having gotten her addled-prima-donna attention, I pointed to my helmet and gave an exagerated thumbs down... cause, brah, you got a bad brain. Rolled on my way....
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I stay the hell away from damn 6 wheel Duallies. Next worst is clods pulling trailers, that cut into the shoulder on curves.
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1/ Pickup trucks with huge side-view mirrors (that could clip you)
2/ BMWs (aggresive fast drivers that blast past you)
3/ Mercedes (ditto)
4/ Landscaping trucks pulling trailers loaded with equipment (you think you're safe when the truck passes, but don't forget that trailer)
5/ Parked running vehicles on right shoulder (getting doored... )
2/ BMWs (aggresive fast drivers that blast past you)
3/ Mercedes (ditto)
4/ Landscaping trucks pulling trailers loaded with equipment (you think you're safe when the truck passes, but don't forget that trailer)
5/ Parked running vehicles on right shoulder (getting doored... )
With commercial drivers, I have noticed an immediate improvement in all commercial vehicles of a given company by the using the following action:
1. I call up the company and ask to speak to the senior management in charge of safety. I usually say that I wanted to talk to them before I turned video of one of their drivers over to the sheriff. I do this in a conversational tone and in a non-threatening way.
2. This usually gets the manager on the phone immediately. We talk, I explain the statute in question and how the driver violated that and give them a link to the video that I have posted in the internet.
3. This is almost always followed up with an immediate apology and a promise for this to be discussed at their periodic safety meetings or with the driver in question.
For example, I had this discussion after a school bus almost clipped me as he was trying to slide past me without passing properly. Immediately, I noticed school bus behavior changing.
I also had this discussion with a watch sgt for the local sheriff when two deputies pulled up behind me and honked. I brought this to the sgt’s attention, provided video etc... I told him I didn’t want to write any letter that wound up in someone’s file and were career damaging. He came up with the inventive solution to have the two deputies in question prepare a presentation on bicycle vehicle rules and present it at one of their training meetings. He assured me that the the reason that they were going to be presenting would be made known to all the other deputies so that (a) there would be significant teasing from the other deputies and (b) for the other deputies to see that this could happen to them to behave properly and address motorist behavior that was inappropriate towards cyclists. I liked that plan a lot and have since found the whole department to be much more amenable to addressing inappropriate motorist behavior towards cyclIsts.
Bottom line - you can have an impact on behavior. You just have to be smart about it.
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