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New bike build
I have had this bike for at least 45 years. I realized a few years back that it is way too big for me but I kept upgrading it but now I want one my size. I have never built a bike from scratch before but it should go fine as long as I know what parts to get. I have decided on a Mallorca frame from FRAMED, I can get one at a decent price right now, I am going to go with disk brakes (shimano?) 700c tires , how big can I go? and then there are the gears and chank set. I would like a decent crankset with 2 sprockets and if I get a 11 speed rear I would still have 21 gears without having so many changes to make. Am I on the right path?
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Hi, welcome to the forum. I moved this thread here from the framebuilders forum.
That's an interesting frame https://www.framedbikes.com/collecti...frame-and-fork
I wonder if a complete bike might not end up being cheaper though.
That's an interesting frame https://www.framedbikes.com/collecti...frame-and-fork
I wonder if a complete bike might not end up being cheaper though.
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If that frame is only $345 it may be hard to buy a complete bike that is cheaper. Especially if you want to customize it anyway.
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I written this a few times lately. Unless you have a lot of parts already or you have a donor bike that uses the same components, it will almost always cost more to build a bike than buy one complete.
If you can't buy what you want then you should build. As an example, if someone wants a 1x11 and they don't offer or they want a 3x8 and they don't offer it. For a first bike build it is just tough to not buy the wrong component and then have to buy another one. But if you can get a 2x11 why build it.
My first bike build was simple; although I did build wheels. But I was moving the majority of parts from one Cannondale to another. I bought a bike, upgraded it, a few years later I bought a better frame at a really good price and moved the upgraded parts over and put the original parts back on the first frame. I bought a few components, hard to make a mistake on getting the right a seatpost when you are holding one in your hand.
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I'm not going to find what I want but on the other hand I can only salvage so many parts off my other bike. I can probably get 200 bucks for it but like you say the sum total of all the upgraded parts I have in it exceed that. I know I cant use the crank set, need a new seat anyway and probably not the fork stem. I guess I'll get the frame and see what I can get.
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I have had this bike for at least 45 years. I realized a few years back that it is way too big for me but I kept upgrading it but now I want one my size. I have never built a bike from scratch before but it should go fine as long as I know what parts to get. I have decided on a Mallorca frame from FRAMED, I can get one at a decent price right now, I am going to go with disk brakes (shimano?) 700c tires , how big can I go? and then there are the gears and chank set. I would like a decent crankset with 2 sprockets and if I get a 11 speed rear I would still have 21 gears without having so many changes to make. Am I on the right path?
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I'm not going to find what I want but on the other hand I can only salvage so many parts off my other bike. I can probably get 200 bucks for it but like you say the sum total of all the upgraded parts I have in it exceed that. I know I cant use the crank set, need a new seat anyway and probably not the fork stem. I guess I'll get the frame and see what I can get.
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I’m not familiar with Framed bikes. They seem to get decent reviews as an imported frame at a low price. Their website shows complete 2x10 Tiagra carbon bikes for $1000 with the caveat that crank, brakes, wheels vary by build.
I know you are looking at a 2x11 and if that is the frame you want I guess you need to go for it. You’ll just need to get the frame and see what components will work.
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I know you are looking at a 2x11 and if that is the frame you want I guess you need to go for it. You’ll just need to get the frame and see what components will work.
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I see a couple of possible problems with that frame. First: it has post mount brake fittings while most road brake callipers are now flat mount. Second, it uses quick release axles while most disc brake road bikes are now through axle. It could make it difficult to source parts for the build
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Crap, It looks like that frame is out and nothing on EPay as per Alcjphil, can somebody steer me in the right direction? Aluminum or Carbon is O.K.
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I'm looking for a 53,54cm lightweight frame that I can install disks on. I'm retired so price is a consideration. After looking around I guess I could use an adapter for the flat to post and as far as thru axle goes, I will never be racing WTHeck do I care, I am sure somewhere out there is a QR hub for disks. BTW, would it be more cost effective to have the correct hubs for disks laced onto my existing rims or purchase a new set?
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I hated pooping the party, but so it goes. There are probably tons of alternatives if you are willing to search for them. All that I did was to point out the current pitfalls with your choice. Building a bike from components is not as simple as buying a frame. You have to know what components will work with that frame and whether those components will still be available in the future. The people who spec bikes for their companies are chasing a moving target, what works today may be obsolete in 5 years. Unfortunately for you, your original choice for a frame to build up was at least 5 years out of date. Quick release hubs for road bikes with disc brakes are a thing of the past. don't even think about going there
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I have had this bike for at least 45 years. I realized a few years back that it is way too big for me but I kept upgrading it but now I want one my size. I have never built a bike from scratch before but it should go fine as long as I know what parts to get. I have decided on a Mallorca frame from FRAMED, I can get one at a decent price right now, I am going to go with disk brakes (shimano?) 700c tires , how big can I go? and then there are the gears and chank set. I would like a decent crankset with 2 sprockets and if I get a 11 speed rear I would still have 21 gears without having so many changes to make.......... Am I on the right path?
Are you on the right path? I'm not sure you are on any path just yet. I would suggest putting a complete list of parts together from the vendors of your choice and post it here. You will learn alot doing it and you will get more meaningful feedback.
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I hated pooping the party, but so it goes. There are probably tons of alternatives if you are willing to search for them. All that I did was to point out the current pitfalls with your choice. Building a bike from components is not as simple as buying a frame. You have to know what components will work with that frame and whether those components will still be available in the future. The people who spec bikes for their companies are chasing a moving target, what works today may be obsolete in 5 years. Unfortunately for you, your original choice for a frame to build up was at least 5 years out of date. Quick release hubs for road bikes with disc brakes are a thing of the past. don't even think about going there
The issue right now is inventory is really down and bikes are going for a premium. That is bad combination to find a good bike at a great deal.
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"The OP is retired and is riding a bike that is 45 years old. Who cares if in 5 years it will be obsolete or if QR disc wheels are a thing of the past. The most important thing is to find a solid frame or bike that will give him years of enjoyment. And if he can buy last years tech for 50% all the better."
At this point my sentiments exactly
At this point my sentiments exactly
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I'm not going to find what I want but on the other hand I can only salvage so many parts off my other bike. I can probably get 200 bucks for it but like you say the sum total of all the upgraded parts I have in it exceed that. I know I cant use the crank set, need a new seat anyway and probably not the fork stem. I guess I'll get the frame and see what I can get.
I’d probably keep your old bike complete and use it to offset the cost of your new build. You might be able to get more by parting it out, but that always takes a while, and you may end up with a pile of parts that no one wants, but don’t make a complete bike.
Typically, building a bike from (new) parts costs 30% 50% more than buying one complete. Especially if you don’t really have a specific “plan” or key components for it. Also, all of the small parts you will need to finish it, like stem, cables, bar tape, add up quick.
You can build a modern-ish (9/10 speed) bike pretty inexpensively from take-offs and NOS parts, but the same goes, unless you’ve got something really specific in mind, it’s usually cheaper to buy a complete bike.
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O.K. I found one on Epay, It is a FELT FXa 2019, Take a look "party pooper" and see if this will be fine or should I start sharpening up my wrist cutter.
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When I built up an older bike I looked for v-brakes, QR, reused my BB, built my wheels, XT 10sp shifting. All were readily available used or discounted new as it was already old news.
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A lot depends on your budget. If you want to build a 2x11 disc brake bike for under $1000, it might be tough if you don’t have any modern components.
I don’t want to discourage you. At one time I would have thought a 5/6 year old 2x10 but barely used might be a suggestion. But it is just tough finding anything these days that isn’t over priced.
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I don’t want to discourage you. At one time I would have thought a 5/6 year old 2x10 but barely used might be a suggestion. But it is just tough finding anything these days that isn’t over priced.
John
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I think I will go for the last frame I found. It's all modern and will out last me (cough cough) It will take me a few months to gather all the stuff up but I have nothing but time.
No, my wheels are QR and I would have to get thru hubs and have them laced on my aluminum 700c's , I don't know if that is cost effective or not.
No, my wheels are QR and I would have to get thru hubs and have them laced on my aluminum 700c's , I don't know if that is cost effective or not.