Need tire suggestions gravel bike that I’ll be riding on pavement too.
10-03-19, 04:33 PM
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10-03-19, 06:57 PM
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Thanks for the recommendation. 75 PSI is just around what I was thinking about. My concern will be how these perform on gravel or dirt when I stand up on the pedals, especially on hills. Are they fairly sticky in dry conditions? Wondering if the Schwalbe G1 Allaround (with tread, photo attached) in a 35c might be the ticket.
If your goal is fast.... then you will learn to climb. (on the tire you posted)
In my opinion, not loosing traction uphill is a marriage of gear choice, weight, and fitness. In short If you don't have the fitness to sit n spin smooth and maintain traction, then "fast" on the rest of the ride is sort of irrelevant. As 'fast' is also based on fitness.
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10-04-19, 11:25 AM
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Thanks for the recommendation. 75 PSI is just around what I was thinking about. My concern will be how these perform on gravel or dirt when I stand up on the pedals, especially on hills. Are they fairly sticky in dry conditions? Wondering if the Schwalbe G1 Allaround (with tread, photo attached) in a 35c might be the ticket.
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10-04-19, 02:44 PM
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Yeah, I see a pair of the Schwalbe's in 35c's in my future. Thanks.
10-07-19, 10:36 AM
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I think you'll love them.
FYI, the resistance on pavement from 75psi to 45psi is about 6 watts per tire on the road. Off pavement, you'll be better off closer to the 45psi mark. Bumpy is slow, smooth is fast.
FYI, the resistance on pavement from 75psi to 45psi is about 6 watts per tire on the road. Off pavement, you'll be better off closer to the 45psi mark. Bumpy is slow, smooth is fast.
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10-07-19, 12:49 PM
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Green tires I suggest for road use on your gravel bike. (You can get them in almost any color you like.)
The years passed. It was time for me to graduate with my PhD, an event so solemn that only green socks would be proper because they represented the antithesis of the hundreds of thousands of nonsmokers the tobacco industry, one of whose Phillip Morris executives who hated green, killed every year with their second-hand smoke.
Through a connection I was offered a visiting professor job at a university where I would stay at an apartment near the university during the week and go home on weekends. Something did not seem right about the department chair I would be working under. But I needed the money. He told me I would be required to wear black socks to work and I made the mistake of dismissing this as something minor. At a faculty orientation where all faculty were present, the university president asked for opinions on how to define success in its alumni. Many suggested employment and income. I stood up and suggested if a graduate refused a job offer with a corporation such as Phillip Morris because he or she was influenced by Kantian ethics learned in a philosophy course and took a lower paying job compatible with conscience that would be a most profound success. My new boss bawled me out for saying something that might make enemies. I knew right then and there the evil cowardice of keeping quiet he demanded was proof that if he were in Germany in the late 1930’s he would keep quiet about the concentration camps. Things got worse. He controlled my private life, calling me up on weekends and vacation time to work off the clock to help him churn out “five year strategic plans” to put on his resume and called me up demanding I drive long distances to help him out with “emergencies” that put me in legal jeopardy and figured out how to steal expenses free services never paying me back for my expenses. When I cost more of my paycheck than I could afford and neither HR nor any lawyer could not help me I walked off the job after turning in final grades.
I celebrated cutting him out of my life by burning all my black socks and I will never wear any other color of socks but green ever again.
Because I had only social security to live off of I got a mountain bike at Walmart to save car operating expenses. The black tires on it wore out after a year and I discovered I could replace them with green tires. The green tires from ebay have shown no visible wear the way the original ones did and I thought it proper to ride on green tires for the same reason I wear green socks (and green dress shoes too.)
Green tires I suggest for road use on your gravel bike. (You can get them in almost any color you like.)
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10-07-19, 01:48 PM
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https://www.bicyclerollingresistance...n-supreme-2016
Gravelish tires tend to be in touring. He's classifying "type" more by size - touring is sized between road and mountainbike.
I expect the G-One to be similar to the Compass bon jon pass, or Marathon supreme based on my experience.
10-09-19, 06:47 PM
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I ride about about 70/30 paved/gravel on a set of 38mm Barlow Pass ELs and could not be happier. I run them with tubes, will try tubeless on the next set I get. Super fast rolling on the road, and do all I need for gravel. Only issue is mud or wet grass.
I’ve though about giving the Gravel King Slicks a try, but every comparison I read (from people I trust and who have actually owned both) seems to say that as good as they are, they are not as smooth as rhe Compass tires.
I’ve though about giving the Gravel King Slicks a try, but every comparison I read (from people I trust and who have actually owned both) seems to say that as good as they are, they are not as smooth as rhe Compass tires.
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10-10-19, 09:52 PM
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Gravel King slicks are the almost perfect "do it all" tire. I have 38 mm tires set up tubeless and I love them. Will you win a road race? No. At the same time, I would put them up against any small knob tire in any condition and you will not lose alot over the average 28mm road tire. Some of my tarmac strava PRs are on my gravel bike with these tires at 45 psi tubeless.
Offroad, the trails I ride a firm packed dirt, so I don’t need much side traction. Anything more radical and I take a mountain bike.
10-24-19, 09:28 PM
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I'm more on tarmac than on gravel with my winter bike and have quite a few hills on my regular rides so heavy treaded gravel tires don't do me so well. I bought the winter bike so I could load fenders up on it and put a little more tread when running through the rain and snow on the streets in the winter and save the nice bike for dry rides.
Anyway... back to the topic. I run 33mm Terreno Drys on an HED Belgian+ rim. Inflated they run out to about 37mm. I typically run them at about 75-80 psi, sometimes more, sometimes less. To find the optimal speed for this tire I went up a hill that has about a 2 mile run out. Did a bunch of descents starting at 100psi and dropping 10 psi each time. The key was keeping the line an not pedaling on the descent. I found that ~85psi on these tires on the road (not gravel) consistently gave me the best time going down the hill.
I haven't ridden a lot of gravel tires so I'm no good at giving you a suggestion, only know that I enjoy riding these Terrenos on the road and they do okay on the flat gravel. Better on gravel @ 60-65psi.
Also I weigh in at about 180-185 lbs and that needs to be taken into consideration for your tire pressure.
Pics for reference -
Anyway... back to the topic. I run 33mm Terreno Drys on an HED Belgian+ rim. Inflated they run out to about 37mm. I typically run them at about 75-80 psi, sometimes more, sometimes less. To find the optimal speed for this tire I went up a hill that has about a 2 mile run out. Did a bunch of descents starting at 100psi and dropping 10 psi each time. The key was keeping the line an not pedaling on the descent. I found that ~85psi on these tires on the road (not gravel) consistently gave me the best time going down the hill.
I haven't ridden a lot of gravel tires so I'm no good at giving you a suggestion, only know that I enjoy riding these Terrenos on the road and they do okay on the flat gravel. Better on gravel @ 60-65psi.
Also I weigh in at about 180-185 lbs and that needs to be taken into consideration for your tire pressure.
Pics for reference -
10-25-19, 07:22 AM
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@Wilmingtech good info. Looks like a good tire that would work well on and off road.
One question: your tires 33mm tires measure 37 on your rims? What is the ID of those rims?
One question: your tires 33mm tires measure 37 on your rims? What is the ID of those rims?
10-25-19, 07:27 AM
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This is great work. So many members of this sub-forum seem to fall into the trap of living and dying on the testing done by others. The extent of their knowledge being graphs and data from someone else who may or may not be producing relevant results. Anyway, good job and good lookin' bike.
It's not for the faint of heart. It was close to 30 miles of climbing and a good chunk of the day to do this.
Certainly not scientific and the other thing I did not mention was holding your posture on the descent as aerodynamics have a play on the numbers as well when hitting speeds of 35mph.
What suprised me the most was the consistency of the numbers I was getting at different PSIs. I'll have to try it again next summer and keep a record of the results. It's a good way to get a climbing session in for sure.
10-25-19, 07:39 AM
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@Wilmingtech good info. Looks like a good tire that would work well on and off road.
One question: your tires 33mm tires measure 37 on your rims? What is the ID of those rims?
One question: your tires 33mm tires measure 37 on your rims? What is the ID of those rims?
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