Wahoo Elemnt or wait?
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Wahoo Elemnt or wait?
Should I buy the Wahoo Elemnt before they are phased out or build up cash and go for the Elemnt Roam? Or, scratch both and just go for the Bolt? Liking the Elemnt due to the larger screen and thinking/hoping that Wahoo will continue to support the original Elemnt for a long time to come. I don't need the maps that the Roam offers but I do like the color contrast knowing that the unit is not full color. All in all the Elemnt is a stretch in the price for me but I would hate knowing that I could have had the larger unit but settled for the smaller for a difference in $50. Please give thoughts as I had only been using the Wahoo app with the Wahoo Blue SC speed and cadence sensor and have never had a dedicated cycling computer.
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Bolt user here. I nearly destroyed the speed sensor trying to replace the battery. The door latch on it sucks. But that’s such a minor thing.
I’ve missed many a turn, especially subtle forks due to a lack of turn by turn for strava routes. I know that some other services do allow for that but it complicates the workflow, and I’m not a huge fan of that. Also, I think the LEDs are nearly impossible to see in bright sunlight.
Besides that, I think there’s very little to complain about. I love the long battery life and small profile.
I’ve missed many a turn, especially subtle forks due to a lack of turn by turn for strava routes. I know that some other services do allow for that but it complicates the workflow, and I’m not a huge fan of that. Also, I think the LEDs are nearly impossible to see in bright sunlight.
Besides that, I think there’s very little to complain about. I love the long battery life and small profile.
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If you have little need for decent maps, get a Bolt. The maps are OK.
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I've used Bontrager, Wahoo, and Garmin. Even though I use a 530 right now, I secretly wish I had the Elemnt. It's just a wicked good computer. Like others have said, the Bolt should serve you well...but heck, can't go wrong with the Roam. It's really up to you whether or not you can justify the extra cost.
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Bolt user here. I nearly destroyed the speed sensor trying to replace the battery. The door latch on it sucks. But that’s such a minor thing.
I’ve missed many a turn, especially subtle forks due to a lack of turn by turn for strava routes. I know that some other services do allow for that but it complicates the workflow, and I’m not a huge fan of that. Also, I think the LEDs are nearly impossible to see in bright sunlight.
Besides that, I think there’s very little to complain about. I love the long battery life and small profile.
I’ve missed many a turn, especially subtle forks due to a lack of turn by turn for strava routes. I know that some other services do allow for that but it complicates the workflow, and I’m not a huge fan of that. Also, I think the LEDs are nearly impossible to see in bright sunlight.
Besides that, I think there’s very little to complain about. I love the long battery life and small profile.
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But I honestly think the sensor is less accurate because you have to input the size of your tire circumference. Most people have it wrong. There is an option for "auto" though. I do not know what it does but I'd presume that it'd learn over time and calculates your tire circumference by comparing how many revolutions you've had with the GPS distance.
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I would presume that the average speed is not based on the speed sensor, but on the moving time and distance.
Any computer/GPS relying on wireless communication for current speed will lag the reading you'd get with a basic hard wired bike computer.
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The speed sensor is more accurate than GPS speed when GPS reception is spotty: between tall buildings, in a tunnel, under heavy tree cover, or in a trail through cut under heavy tree cover.
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that is what the tech support at Garmin told me when I was having trouble getting it to work on my commuter one time. I replaced the battery and it worked better. I have a speed sensors on my mtn bike and commuter. I swap one to the road bike as needed.
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The Elemnt Bolt is able to get speed using GPS. The sensor is allegedly more accurate because during climbing, GPS doesn't account for elevation. Also, the sensor is useful for when riding indoors on a trainer.
But I honestly think the sensor is less accurate because you have to input the size of your tire circumference. Most people have it wrong. There is an option for "auto" though. I do not know what it does but I'd presume that it'd learn over time and calculates your tire circumference by comparing how many revolutions you've had with the GPS distance.
But I honestly think the sensor is less accurate because you have to input the size of your tire circumference. Most people have it wrong. There is an option for "auto" though. I do not know what it does but I'd presume that it'd learn over time and calculates your tire circumference by comparing how many revolutions you've had with the GPS distance.
A) GPS is quite accurate but is rather high-latency (delay from sample time to readout, as well as sample to sample), particularly on low-computing-power products. Which if you're driving steady-state in a car on the highway or interstate is no problem. But a bicycle is seldom in such a steady-state. A speed sensor takes far less compute power (for the same amount of data) so you get better battery life on mobile products, and is much lower latency beside. You need a very good rollout measurement to best GPS--which is why most-all GPS bike computers now will do a GPS-based rollout measurement for you over a mile or so; best of both worlds.
B) Altitude. GPS does, in fact, do altitude, but isn't that accurate compared to a good/calibrated barometric-altimeter....at least so long as the weather is fairly constant over a ride. This is due to the problems of doing hyper-accurate trigonometry on the surface of a globe. GPS can be so accurate in Lat/Lon because of how far apart satellites can get (180 degrees practically), something they simply cannot do in the vertical because of the Earth under your feet. Hence the preference for GPS-calibrated barometric altimeters
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Back to the original question: I have been using an Elemnt for 3 years and was given a Roam as a present. There are only three real differences:
1. If you do go off route or if mid-ride you decide you want to abandon the route, the Roam will do the re-routing for you.
2. The color display.
3. The buttons on the side are slightly better positioned, at least for my hand/fingers.
Are those three things worth the extra $80 or so? That is about the cost of 2 new tires (on sales) or a decent but not great meal with my wife out at a restaurant...
That said, if I didn't have either but had tried both I would spring for the Roam - I really like it better for those three reasons. I can save back the $80 (or more, if you look at prices on refurb Elemnts) by carrying some Fig Newtons on rides and not buying snacks at convenience store rest stops...
I would wait a bit - Wahoo does seem to have Christmas season sales, though no guarantee the Roam will be one of the items. I bought my Kickr indoor trainer and a Tickr heart rate strap on sales in December in years past.
1. If you do go off route or if mid-ride you decide you want to abandon the route, the Roam will do the re-routing for you.
2. The color display.
3. The buttons on the side are slightly better positioned, at least for my hand/fingers.
Are those three things worth the extra $80 or so? That is about the cost of 2 new tires (on sales) or a decent but not great meal with my wife out at a restaurant...
That said, if I didn't have either but had tried both I would spring for the Roam - I really like it better for those three reasons. I can save back the $80 (or more, if you look at prices on refurb Elemnts) by carrying some Fig Newtons on rides and not buying snacks at convenience store rest stops...
I would wait a bit - Wahoo does seem to have Christmas season sales, though no guarantee the Roam will be one of the items. I bought my Kickr indoor trainer and a Tickr heart rate strap on sales in December in years past.
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The Elemnt Bolt is able to get speed using GPS. The sensor is allegedly more accurate because during climbing, GPS doesn't account for elevation. Also, the sensor is useful for when riding indoors on a trainer.
But I honestly think the sensor is less accurate because you have to input the size of your tire circumference. Most people have it wrong. There is an option for "auto" though. I do not know what it does but I'd presume that it'd learn over time and calculates your tire circumference by comparing how many revolutions you've had with the GPS distance.
But I honestly think the sensor is less accurate because you have to input the size of your tire circumference. Most people have it wrong. There is an option for "auto" though. I do not know what it does but I'd presume that it'd learn over time and calculates your tire circumference by comparing how many revolutions you've had with the GPS distance.
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Should I buy the Wahoo Elemnt before they are phased out or build up cash and go for the Elemnt Roam? Or, scratch both and just go for the Bolt? Liking the Elemnt due to the larger screen and thinking/hoping that Wahoo will continue to support the original Elemnt for a long time to come. I don't need the maps that the Roam offers but I do like the color contrast knowing that the unit is not full color. All in all the Elemnt is a stretch in the price for me but I would hate knowing that I could have had the larger unit but settled for the smaller for a difference in $50. Please give thoughts as I had only been using the Wahoo app with the Wahoo Blue SC speed and cadence sensor and have never had a dedicated cycling computer.
Go with the one that suits your needs & budget. I don't believe you will be disappointed with either of the 2 products.
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For looking at numbers on the screen, you can adjust the amount shown, and so the size of the fields, on the Bolt,
so a larger screen doesn't make much difference.
so a larger screen doesn't make much difference.
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Using speed sensor in auto mode is most accurate. It uses gps reading over distance to calculate circumference then usees rhe speed sensor reading to deliver speed reading directly and without interuption. Best of both worlds. I find using just gps to be problematic when riding under trees and such where the signal can get interupted.
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I'm curious about whether this works differently on the Elemnts than Garmins. My Garmin Edge 520 seems to calculate my Wahoo RPM speed sensor once and then never update it, and I've had it way underestimate my wheel size (like, a 28mm Michelin Pro4E that balloons out to close to 32mm was calculated to be close to 23mm). I've tried recalibrating multiple times and have never once had a clean enough GPS trace (even when crossing an entire lake on a clear day!).