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Grant Petersen Has Lost It

Old 11-30-18, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
some impressive jumps to conclusions in your post.
What's your favorite Olympic event, long jump, high jump, or jumping to a conclusion?

(This one was medal-worthy.)
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Old 11-30-18, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Retro Grouch View Post
The universe is unfolding as it should. It just isn't done yet.
i might steal this line.
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Old 11-30-18, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by trailangel View Post
GP is way behind the times, and has actually missed the boat , so to speak.
He is in California, and California has already classified ebikes as bicycles.
Specifically, bicycles with a 20 mph limit are class 1 and 2 ebikes and can go anywhere push bikes can go.
Read it and weep.
https://peopleforbikes.org/wp-conten...02132018v2.pdf
”Missed the boat”? I don’t think so. He was never interested in catching it in the first place.

And I am with him.

Ebikes are not bicycles. They are mopeds. I don’t care what a state law says. If CA passed a law that said cows are to be treated just like dogs I would still not consider cows to be dogs. Just because ebikes have similar access under state law (and local laws can vary), does not mean they are the same thing.

I’ve got nothing against eBikes (except on non-motorized trails). I am building two for me and my wife. But we are not deluding ourselves that these are bicycles, or that we are “cycling” when we ride them. They are electric mopeds. And I am fine with that. And as far as I can tell, GP is OK with people riding mopeds, he just wants them (and the industry) to be honest about what they are doing.


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Old 11-30-18, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by martianone View Post


Any proof to a. &/or b Above ?
Sarcasm requires no proof.
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Old 11-30-18, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve B. View Post
will start to see their current use on off-pavement trails and rail trails
The last time I rode an unpaved rail-trail I noticed two people riding eBikes. One of the riders looked perfectly fit. In fact, he looked like he lifted weights regularly. This was in PA. The agency which manages state parks allows eBikes (up to 250W, IIRC) on all state park trails that are open to "unassisted" bikes.
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Old 11-30-18, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by pdlamb View Post
What's your favorite Olympic event, long jump, high jump, or jumping to a conclusion?

(This one was medal-worthy.)
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Old 11-30-18, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by trailangel View Post
GP is way behind the times, and has actually missed the boat , so to speak.
He is in California, and California has already classified ebikes as bicycles.
Specifically, bicycles with a 20 mph limit are class 1 and 2 ebikes and can go anywhere push bikes can go.
Read it and weep.
https://peopleforbikes.org/wp-conten...02132018v2.pdf
The motorbikes aren't allowed on trails that ban "motorized conveyances"
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Old 11-30-18, 10:19 AM
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Our group rides with a 75? year old e-bike user. He's first up our 3 mile torture hill and times the rest of us. I think e-bikes are a great thing to get more folks out to exercise and extend outdoor activy for the less fit among us. At 66 years old myself I might need to go e-bike sometime in my future, however the day I do this is the day I stop calling myself a cyclist.......
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Old 11-30-18, 10:28 AM
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GP likes to troll, aka "making people think." I haven't seen anything interesting from him in a while. He didn't invent underbiking and any time I see something from him I tune it out.

I think in the end, ebikes will be a net positive for the cycling community. There are people that would never ride a bike that are now interested in them. And they do give exercise, it just cuts down on the pain somewhat. That's good for society as a whole. The fact that people are modifying them to go fast is a pain though.
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Old 11-30-18, 10:36 AM
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Wait, e-bikes aren't really bikes? It's right there in the name! It seems silly that some would get so worked up over this.
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Old 11-30-18, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
You including the production and disposal of batteries in your calculation of pollution?
No. I'd guess the production of e-bikes is generally less green than human powered bikes, but there are lots of variables in that equation.

And what percentage of ebike riders actually use solar power?
I don't know.

In anycase, both battery production and consumer electricity grow greener by the day.
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Old 11-30-18, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by tyrion View Post
No. I'd guess the production of e-bikes is generally less green than human powered bikes, but there are lots of variables in that equation.



I don't know.

In anycase, both battery production and consumer electricity grow greener by the day.
Maybe, but it will never be 100% green, as are conventional bikes.
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Old 11-30-18, 12:13 PM
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It takes a long time for a conventional new bike to work off its carbon debt,

considering ; manufacturing , shipping around the globe and trucked to the store,
and all the packing materials used once and thrown away ,
to keep it in the same condition it was when wrapped & boxed
and packed in the seagoing shipping container..





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Old 11-30-18, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
Maybe, but it will never be 100% green, as are conventional bikes.
The operation of an e-bike can be 100% green. But the life-cycle ecological cost of an e-bike will probably never be as low as a regular bike, at least not for a while.
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Old 11-30-18, 12:19 PM
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all the e-bike butt hurt makes me want one more than ever
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Old 11-30-18, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Ken2 View Post
Why so binary? The lower-power ebikes require that you pedal to activate the e-assist. So there is an entire category of ebikes that *combine* human & battery power.
There are 2 types of people: binary and non-binary.
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Old 11-30-18, 12:45 PM
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Slightly OT: Last Saturday I rode an event in Pittsburgh called the Dirty Dozen;it's a race the incorporates the 13 steepest hills in the city -- and Pittsburgh is a very hilly city. Most participants are merely out there trying to make it up each hill and get a finisher's ribbon.

A couple weeks before the event, a person posted a question on the race's facebook page, asking if it was okay to bring an eBike...And the poster seemed miffed at the answer "no." He argued that they were "excluding" people by not allowing eBikes. And as another poster observed (I'm paraphrasing), the whole object of the event is to exclude people who can't complete it under their own power -- that is what makes it an achievement.

So, I wonder if that is what really irritates me about eBikes: that some of their riders will confuse their actions with actual achievement, and some of the spectators may do the same.
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Old 11-30-18, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Reynolds View Post
There are 10 types of people: binary and non-binary.
There, fixed it.
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Originally Posted by Reynolds View Post
There are 2 types of people: binary and non-binary.
Neither to be confused with the Bynars.

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Originally Posted by jefnvk View Post
As one who has ridden (but does not own) ebikes, and who owns a motorcycle, no, no they are not motorcycles. Anyone who honestly thinks ebikes are closer to motorcycles than bikes is pushing an agenda

The day I can take an ebike down a limited access interstate (and no, not one of those special bits out west where most traffic is allowed), maybe my stance will change.
I have no agenda on this. I couldn't care less about e-bike regulation. My point is strictly logical.
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Old 11-30-18, 12:59 PM
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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bicycle

bicycle

nounbi·​cy·​cle | \ˈbī-si-kəl,
-ˌsi- also -ˌsī-\

Definition of bicycle

(Entry 1 of 2)
: a vehicle with two wheels tandem, handlebars for steering, a saddle seat, and pedals by which it is propelled


WHATEVA
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Old 11-30-18, 01:04 PM
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God I'm sick of hearing about E-bikes! If you want one or need one, for heaven's sake just buy it and ride it where it's allowed. QUIT trying to convince us that it's just like a bicycle. Bicycles are human powered--IT'S IN THEIR VERY DEFINITION! Quit insulting us because we don't accept that they are bicycles, quit assuming we're elitists or have an agenda (lol-like ebike advocates don't have one?) or that we're purists or whatever. They're one thing, bicycles are another thing. FACT!

I've been a fan of Grant's for over 20 years. I've been a fan of ebikes never. I don't give a crap about ebikes, and I'm so sick of hearing about them!

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Old 11-30-18, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by exmechanic89 View Post
I agree. I don't need to ride an e-bike to know I don't like what they represent - another way for already overweight and out of shape people to skirt any kind of exercise. I'm all for e-bikes being classified as mopeds, which is essentially what they are.
One thing you may have overlooked. My wife and I are in our sixties and have been riding together for all of our 46 years together. My wife developed a severe case of arthritis and fibromyalgia about a dozen years ago and could no longer join me on my regular rides. We both ride road bikes of the vintage variety. She is not overweight and keeps herself in great shape for her disabilities. She can now join me as she has an ebike. She never uses it as a motor bike , she always pedals with the assistance of the motor. The bike allows her to ride( not fast) with just enough assistance to keep her from over exerting herself. I hope I never have to ride one , but if I were in her position I would get one and be proud to ride it. Just a thought , Joe
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So .... an E-bike is pedal-powered .... just not exclusively so. So by the definition in post #71 it qualifies.

This thread makes less sense than most Monty Python sketches.

Y'all are some sick and twisted individuals ... bless your hearts.
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Originally Posted by honcho View Post
GP is a man of strong opinions. He's not advocating violence against anyone for their choices, just stating his thoughts. No one else has to support nor agree with GP's thoughts if they think differently.

I'm beginning to think e-bikes were invented to give cyclists something to argue about :-) I own an e-bike but don't ride it much and it's just an expensive toy that I don't ride because it makes me lazy. However, if e-bikes allow less-able people to get out on bikes and, as long as they actually have to pedal to make them go, then they aren't completely evil.
Thank You!! I have stated that someone may have overlooked the fact that we aren't all blessed with good health. My wife never rides her ebike without pedaling with the motor. Without her ebike we could not cycle together. I ride vintage road bikes and am still riding the racer I bought in 1976, but I don't share my wife's disability so fortunately I don't need assistance. If riding an ebike was the only way for me to ride, I would have one. Joe
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