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Old 01-18-17, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by TMonk
I managed to get up early enough this morning. Yay me.

Only a few more rides of this crap then I get to switch to build. Really looking forward to staying in bed for another hour in the monring before work.
late to mention it, but congrats! 3hrs in the dark that early in the morning is impressive
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Old 01-18-17, 04:49 PM
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Thought I had the rain timed perfectly this morning and then that all went out the door when I got a huge gash in my tire. I had a liner in there, but whatever I hit got more of the sidewall.
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Old 01-18-17, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by scheibo
late to mention it, but congrats! 3hrs in the dark that early in the morning is impressive
Thanks.

I did it again today!
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Old 01-18-17, 05:18 PM
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Not looking forward to all the rain the rest of this week...

Sprints and AC work tomorrow, ride to Swami's + the ride + back Saturday, TT bike work Sunday, all in the wet ;o;

I thought this was supposed to be sunny San Diego! I want a refund.
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Old 01-18-17, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by TMonk
Thanks.

I did it again today!
Nice! I can maybe do a 6 AM wakeup, but 5 AM is too much for me.

Originally Posted by wktmeow
Not looking forward to all the rain the rest of this week...
This. except you need it down there, no? up north we've got enough rain this season, at least as far as im concerned.

tried to do some intervals on the trainer today (cuz water falling from clouds) but i think the weekend at team camp and then doing a workout yesterday broke me - i gave up halfway into the first repeat and just pedaled for an hour. looks like i have at least a couple more days indoors, so hopefully im ready for a workout tomorrow
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Old 01-18-17, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by wktmeow
Not looking forward to all the rain the rest of this week...

Sprints and AC work tomorrow, ride to Swami's + the ride + back Saturday, TT bike work Sunday, all in the wet ;o;

I thought this was supposed to be sunny San Diego! I want a refund.
I think I may join you for Swami's on Saturday. I'm going to have the same plan of riding to the ride and then back home. It looks like we may get a slight break from the storms on Saturday so I'm going to try to get 5+ hours in. It will be incredibly windy though...
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Old 01-19-17, 09:39 AM
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getting sick and missing over a week of training really sucks when you want to be on good form in early april....

training status: getting back into it slowly with some recovery riding.
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Old 01-19-17, 01:54 PM
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Having one of those weeks where all the numbers are easy. It is glorious when it doesn't matter the bike you are on but you feel like a total badass. Only problem is that it tends to precede a glorious falling apart where Z2 feels like horribleness.
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Old 01-19-17, 04:23 PM
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2 days insanely slow after team Camp and I'm up to -10 from -42 on sunday. Legs feel great though, and it's partly sunny with minimal rain today. Gotta get out after work and hammer around the city!
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Old 01-19-17, 07:06 PM
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a week ago on the tt bike.



today on the tt bike, after changing out cranks from 165 to 175, same workout.



it felt so much easier to make power...
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Old 01-19-17, 07:18 PM
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Seeing those intervals makes my 3x10 at ftp seem weak.

Only 242 watts for mine tonight.

https://www.strava.com/activities/837726677
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Old 01-19-17, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Ygduf
today on the tt bike, after changing out cranks from 165 to 175, same workout.
basically the same cadence which seems odd because shouldn't you have theoretically higher cadence with a shorter crank? or maybe you just like that cadence and can still settle into it even with a longer crank. either way, GJ.

next week: 185 mm cranks and even more power?
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Old 01-19-17, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Wylde06
Seeing those intervals makes my 3x10 at ftp seem weak.
hey, you still did better than my last trainer workout where i gave up 5 minutes in!
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Old 01-20-17, 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Ygduf
a week ago on the tt bike.



today on the tt bike, after changing out cranks from 165 to 175, same workout.



it felt so much easier to make power...
did you change arms or swap cranksets?

what power meter? crank-based? IME, some crank-based meters change slope when arms are changed. you'd think that the electronics in the spider would be stable, but that's not always true.

OTOH, if your crank arm length increased and cadence stayed the same, you were pushing a bigger gear which means more power.

me? i re-check slope when making a crank arm or ring change (same spider), even if it is just to verify things.
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Old 01-20-17, 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by aaronmcd
2 days insanely slow after team Camp and I'm up to -10 from -42 on sunday. Legs feel great though, and it's partly sunny with minimal rain today. Gotta get out after work and hammer around the city!
Wow, beautiful night. Warm and 99.9% dry. Got in 2:30 with an added 3x10 Z4 across the bridge.
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Old 01-20-17, 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by tetonrider
did you change arms or swap cranksets?

what power meter? crank-based? IME, some crank-based meters change slope when arms are changed. you'd think that the electronics in the spider would be stable, but that's not always true.

OTOH, if your crank arm length increased and cadence stayed the same, you were pushing a bigger gear which means more power.

me? i re-check slope when making a crank arm or ring change (same spider), even if it is just to verify things.
That may be how bigger gears work but somehow I don't think longer cranks = bigger gear.
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Old 01-20-17, 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by aaronmcd
That may be how bigger gears work but somehow I don't think longer cranks = bigger gear.
longer cranks DO mean it's the equivalent of pushing a bigger gear.

for the same gear and the same power, with a longer crank you get more leverage and cadence will drop.

if you keep cadence constant, the extra leverage translates into more torque, which means more power.
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Old 01-20-17, 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by tetonrider
longer cranks DO mean it's the equivalent of pushing a bigger gear.

for the same gear and the same power, with a longer crank you get more leverage and cadence will drop.

if you keep cadence constant, the extra leverage translates into more torque, which means more power.
Nope. For same gear, same cadence, longer cranks will have same power. More leverage means less force but more distance, same torque. Force x distance = torque or energy. Energy per rotation x rpm = power.

Cadence in a gear dictates speed of the rear wheel. One can't simply put on longer cranks, turn the same gear at the same cadence and get more power out of it.
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^ my dynamics history lesson says correct.
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Didn't intent to start a debate. It's a quarq riken, and I changed the crankarms. fwiw, the cadence was ~2% lower with the longer arms, so if you think I was in 56/17 with 92 cadence vs 56/16 with 90 cadence, that's 3.3 ratio vs. 3.5 ratio just multiplied against the cadence, same force applied, comes to like 306/315 gear-ratios-minute or whatever monstrous combo those numbers represent.
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Old 01-20-17, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Ygduf
Didn't intent to start a debate. It's a quarq riken, and I changed the crankarms. fwiw, the cadence was ~2% lower with the longer arms, so if you think I was in 56/17 with 92 cadence vs 56/16 with 90 cadence, that's 3.3 ratio vs. 3.5 ratio just multiplied against the cadence, same force applied, comes to like 306/315 gear-ratios-minute or whatever monstrous combo those numbers represent.


I didn't know you could change just the crankarms?


I want to try 165's but haven't wanted to buy a whole new power meter...if the crank arms can be changed though..
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Originally Posted by Wylde06
I didn't know you could change just the crankarms?


I want to try 165's but haven't wanted to buy a whole new power meter...if the crank arms can be changed though..
Easy to do with the Quarq (assuming you're using the Sram version). Take off the three bolts behind the spider and move over to the other set of arms. I was doing this back and forth between a GXP and BB30 crankset before I got tired of it and purchased a second powermeter.
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Old 01-20-17, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by scheibo
hey, you still did better than my last trainer workout where i gave up 5 minutes in!
I quit 3 minutes into my trainer ride last night


Just started back on the TT bike and wasn't even close to hitting power marks. Quickly turned it into a "just feeling out the bike again" ride.
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Old 01-20-17, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by aaronmcd
Wow, beautiful night. Warm and 99.9% dry.
hmm, my ride was: "ride through puddles and up a climb to get nice and wet and sweaty and then freeze my ass off descending at 37F while the avg temp for the ride was 43F".

still 1000% better than indoors though...
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Originally Posted by Ygduf
Didn't intent to start a debate. It's a quarq riken, and I changed the crankarms. fwiw, the cadence was ~2% lower with the longer arms, so if you think I was in 56/17 with 92 cadence vs 56/16 with 90 cadence, that's 3.3 ratio vs. 3.5 ratio just multiplied against the cadence, same force applied, comes to like 306/315 gear-ratios-minute or whatever monstrous combo those numbers represent.
not saying this is wrong, but any time you make a significant change on a quarq....check your slope. seriously.

it's a quick procedure. if it hasn't changed, no problem. if it has changed, you will want to know.
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