jfranci3

That’s the same as the stock DT Swiss CR 1600 wheelset you can find for $350 from a euro site.

loheiman

Not sure about that. Also, all the pre-built wheelsets are 24H. With a custom wheelset you can get however many you want. Personally I went with 32H on the 700c and 28H on the 650b for peace of mind.

jfranci3

Is the OP super heavy or hauling cargo? DT Swiss says they're good for 260lbs taking 6in jumps with 24spokes and has a warranty. This isn't the 60s, 70s, , etc 80s where you're taking a super weak rim, wrapped in a super high pressure tire, with 36 weak, long spokes. If he was rolling 16x20, that might be an issue but 24x24 is pretty darn strong. More spokes just adds cost, effort to buy, gives wheelbuilder BS to spout, and makes a stiff wheel unnecessarily stiff.

Koyote

Counterpoint:
-28 or 32 spokes brings a small weight penalty, but dramatically raises a wheel's strength and also allows it so remain true (enough) if one spoke does happen to break.
-In my experience, wheels with lower spoke counts feel stiffer than wheels with higher spoke counts.

In the end, it's horses for courses. For my gravel race bike, I prefer 32h 3x, because I am often doing long races, in rough terrain, with little support. I value reliability.

gus6464

FYI if you find a cheap dt370 based wheel buy it. Reason being is that you can convert a dt370 hub to one with dt240 internals with ratchet drive. I've done it on 2 of my mtb wheels. This is specially so if you need to change your freehub body. Pretty much any lbs will have the tool to remove to the 3pawl drivering and install the ratchet one and it's a 5 min job.

Also a 36t ratchet with good amount of dt grease will be quieter than a 3 pawl dt hub.

Jazzguitar

DT Swiss hubs can be made to run silently or relatively noisy based on the amount of grease you put on the ratchets. Also, number of teeth on the ratchets can affect noise as well. I have 3 sets of 350s and 1 set of 240s and they’re all nearly silent unless they are due for service.

gravelslider

The higher end DT Swiss wheels are excellent also but I do not have first hand experience with these. Do you know the weight and internal width?

gus6464

There is a seller on eBay named crimson stallion. They basically sell surplus dt swiss wheels from canyon. The 350 hub is the most versatile hub you can buy.

Right now they have a set of dt swiss m1700 spline 2's for $350. 22 inches wide internal and 1650g if I recall. That is a nuclear proof wheel and light.

jfranci3

They problem here i that these use DT's MTB front hub,which is setup for 15mm front axles. These aren't easy to get setup for 12mm; it's not just an end cap.
Decent deal though. The GR1600 is basically the same setup (if I'm reading the right specs), a bit more aero for road tires, a touch heavier, https://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/...heelset-883036

gus6464

I don't know what you talking about. It IS just and end cap. Part number HWGXXX00S6885S. I've used this part on multiple wheels including 370 hubs.

https://www.worldwidecyclery.com/products/dt-swiss-12-x-100mm-thru-axle-end-caps-fits-350-15-x-100mm-front-hubs

jfranci3

On Fifteen labeled wheels? I have tried it. If it works, it works.

gus6464

I've used it on 370 hubs that come with a stigmata, gen 1 m1900 splines, non boost e1900, x1700s, and even a truly ancient Syncros xr2.0 labeled wheel.

jfranci3

Cool thanks for the partnumber.

FYI -DT Swiss MTB front hubs ("FIFTEEN") have an 18mm axle, road use a 15mm axle. They don't list a MTB end cap for that and in some cases, you'd likely want to run an axle insert
https://radhauspdx.com/shop/dt-swiss...-ta-conversion
Reviewing this, I just learned that the MTB Rear hubs can't run a Road 11sp freehub/cassette as they have a wider hub shell. You can use a MTB 11sp cassette though (eg Shimano 11-34)

gus6464

Hmm interesting let me check the axle on my front DTS that I have with a caliper. Although the part number I posted is specific for 12mm axle on a 15x100 350/370 hub only. Dt240 fronts use a different end cap altogether.

gus6464

Ahh ok this is why. This is the new part number for 240 hubs when converting to 12mm.
HWGXXX00S7000S
https://www.worldwidecyclery.com/pro...isc-front-hubs

So this is the proper conversion parts:
350/370 - HWGXXX00S6885S
240 - HWGXXX00S7000S

180 does not have a conversion yet but those are quite rare anyway. Also, I measured all my DT Swiss bearings including my MTB wheels are they all use 15mm axles which makes sense as they are all 350 or 370. The only hub to use an 18mm axle is the 240 which is why there's that sleeve but you no longer need that with the part number above.

kundica

I have the Hunt 4 Seasons. They're decent for the price I paid last spring which was $50 or so lower than I'm currently seeing on the site. If I were picking up a similarly spec'd wheelset right now I'd probably go with the Colorado Cyclist set someone posted. The 350 hubs are way better than the 4 Seasons and the site seems to be currently offering a spring discount. The downside is they're a bit narrow but so are the 4 Season.

I've also owned the GR1600 which someone else mentioned. Buying domestic they're out of your range but they're definitely worth it for the price someone posted from the EU site. They're a bit heavy but very well built and come with Shimano and XDR hubs in the same kit so you're also getting another hub at no cost if you have a use for it.

You can also check with a LBS. They should be able to build you something solid in the $400 range.

Regarding tariffs to the US, you don't pay anything on imports under $800 so it's not applicable to the 4 Seasons or the GR1600s from the EU site.

dwmckee

The cheapest DTSwiss 350 wheelset I am seeing on Colorado Cyclist is $655,. That is quite a bit over the pricepoint of the OP if around $400ish...

jfranci3

Gotta go euro for DT stuff.

dwmckee

I am going to come baack to I think the best wheelset at around $400 is the Shimano GRX. It has straight pull spokes, steel body for durability but still weighs 1650g for the set, cup and cone bearings, Shimano warranty,~ 22 mmm internal width. This is just hard to beat when I compare. I know Shimano is not sexy, but they have a pretty compelling wheelset here in this price range.

gus6464

One of the cheapest places to buy DT, Schwalbe, Continental, and the rest of the euro brands is bike-components.de. Every 3 months they do free worldwide shipping which makes it even sweeter. I have purchased tons of stuff from them and they ship fast. I even bought a B&W bike travel bag from them when they had free shipping. Came in a massive box and still free.

They are by far the best place to buy Schwalbe and Continental. I got G-One allrounds for 23 bucks from them. Magic Mary/Hans Dampf set for my enduro mtb which are $170 stateside for the set for $65.

katsup

You should read the thread I linked to in post 3, That OP got a tariff bill on a ~$400 set of wheels from Hunt.

kundica

Here. It won't allow me to post URLs yet so I have to spell part of it out. www dot coloradocyclist dot com / dt-swiss-350-disc-custom-handbuilt-wheelset-with-dt-swiss-r500-rims-700c

Here's the entire matrix: www dot coloradocyclist dot com / custom-cyclocross-wheelsets

That's because some customs people don't know what they're doing or they misclassify the item. When my 2nd set of Hunt wheels came(650b carbon which was under $800 when I ordered them) the same thing happened to me because customs tried to classify the wheels as motorized wheelchair wheels. Once I provided the correct code to them it was fine. I have 2 sets of Hunt and haven't paid tariff on either of them because both were under $800. A lot of foreign bike companies that ship to the US will even tell you on their site about the limit.

gus6464

Some people got hit with the same thing on some mtb forums as well when ordering Hunt. I've ordered wheels from UK and German online shops and have never been hit with duty fees. I still don't get the obsession with Hunt when DT Swiss can be had for same price. And whoever says a Hunt hub is as good as a DT hub is bonkers.

gus6464

The Shimano GRX wheelset is impossible to get right now though. it's been a crazy hot seller.

kundica

They shouldn't have and I don't see how that's the fault of Hunt. I saw the form they shipped with my wheels for customs and it was correct for both sets. It was US customs who misclassified the wheels and tried to hit me with an import tax.

Regarding hubs... I couldn't agree more that DT Swiss hubs are better. They're extremely easy to service and dependable. It's worth mentioning that I think Hunt uses both Novatec and Bitex hubs. The hubs on my 650b carbon wheelset are definitely better than the ones on the 4 Seasons. Hunt has great customer service and the quality of their wheels is good for the price, however, being more aware of what else is out there than I was a year ago I would opt for having a set built with 350s or finding something like the GR1600 on discount.