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Old 04-29-20, 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by PhilPub
Nitto M106 compact bars (42cm) with Nitto Dynamic 10 stem. When I first updated my Ron Cooper I had Cinelli CDM bars but had got used to compact bars on another bike, and the Nitto bars work perfectly with the SRAM shifters for a nice flat transition. I really like the Dynamic stem, similar style to the old Cinelli XA I used to have.
Super, that's really helpful. The M106 bar look like a great option. Also looking at the Soma HWY ONE and a couple others. Decisions, decisions.
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Originally Posted by billytwosheds
Super, that's really helpful. The M106 bar look like a great option. Also looking at the Soma HWY ONE and a couple others. Decisions, decisions.
Yeah I was considering the HWY ONE as well but in the UK at the time they just weren't available. I ended up ordering the Nitto direct from Japan and paid a nice lump of import duty, but hey I'm not changing them out any time soon!
(The only component on the bike that is now over 30 years old is the Dura Ace AX aero seatpost, which I believe Nitto made for them, so there's some nice matching going on in my mind.)
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While I have replaced the original stem on my Holdsworth with an ahead it is a 130mm stem and the bars are 40mm (centre of left hood to centre of right hood). The bars themselves angle down and forward from the stem. The bike is a 54cm so 1 size too small for me as I am 5ft 10½. I am flexible though and if I were to stay with a swan-neck then I could've slammed it another inch lower. It's as low as it will go at the moment with a 5mm spacer below and a 2mm above. Can't raise the saddle further because I get aches behind my knees.

It's a long way to the drops but I ride the hoods most of the time. Like Phil the bar>SRAM transition is nice and flat. Moreso because the corners/turns of the bar are flattened slightly so I often tend to ride a little behind the hoods rather than having a claw grip on the hood itself.

Looking at the pictures I uploaded it makes the bars look like they are turned up a little but they are level from corner to the hoods. Must be the angles of the bars making it look that way.

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Old 05-03-20, 09:45 PM
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Late 80s/ early 90s Marinoni.
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It is very cool to have owned a bike since new, or close to it!

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Here is the latest configuration of my 1982 McLean. I've installed a new-to-me Ultegra front derailleur and a Velo Orange triple crankset. The chainrings are 48/34/24, and the 9-speed cassette is 12-26. I have lots of low gears, and I'll see if I can replace the 12T cog with an 11T. I've had this frameset since 1983, and I love it to death.

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It is very cool to have owned a bike since new, or close to it!
It is very cool, and every time I ride it, I fall in love with it again. I don't know what the magic ingredient is, but it's there.
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noglider What is mounted to the drive-side end of the front qr skewer on that fine bike?
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Originally Posted by cchmilar
Late 90s Marinoni.
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Great looking bike. Are you sure this is late 90's. It looks very much like mine, which I believe is an 88. Coincedently, I sent pictures of my bike and the serial number to Marinoni just last week. They advised that as my serial number starts with an 8 it is either an 88, or 98 frame. Since they are working from home and can only access more recent archives they said mine does not match the 98 in their current archives. They said when they are open again they will look for more info. Great support from Marinoni for old information. My bike also has stoch Shimano 600 tri colour 7 speed drive trai which is from 88-91 according to Velobase. Here is a photo of mine fro reference (waiting for complete overhaul).
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Originally Posted by bikeaddiction1
Great looking bike. Are you sure this is late 90's. It looks very much like mine, which I believe is an 88. Coincedently, I sent pictures of my bike and the serial number to Marinoni just last week. They advised that as my serial number starts with an 8 it is either an 88, or 98 frame. Since they are working from home and can only access more recent archives they said mine does not match the 98 in their current archives. They said when they are open again they will look for more info. Great support from Marinoni for old information. My bike also has stoch Shimano 600 tri colour 7 speed drive trai which is from 88-91 according to Velobase. Here is a photo of mine fro reference (waiting for complete overhaul).
Sorry, I had meant to type late 80s/early 90s, but must have gotten ahead of myself. I have never tried to pin it down, but I will have to look at the serial number to see.
I had read somewhere that Marinoni changed from Italian Tread to English in 1992 or so. So I figured that, given mine has an italian threaded BB, that it was at least pre-1992.
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Old 05-04-20, 11:34 AM
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Something I've been wanting to do for a while and finally got around to: fitting brifters to my Roy Thame.

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Originally Posted by cchmilar
Sorry, I had meant to type late 80s/early 90s, but must have gotten ahead of myself. I have never tried to pin it down, but I will have to look at the serial number to see.
I had read somewhere that Marinoni changed from Italian Tread to English in 1992 or so. So I figured that, given mine has an italian threaded BB, that it was at least pre-1992.
As Marinoni are custom made they may have switched BB thread based on customer request. I have not taken mine apart yet but as it has a Shimano crank that it will not be Italian thread. Note that even the fork crown markings are the same on the two bikes.

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Old 05-04-20, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by non-fixie
Something I've been wanting to do for a while and finally got around to: fitting brifters to my Roy Thame.
Roy Thame! Lovely. I've seen precisely two of these in my life. One was hanging in a bike hire shop in Mallorca, the other was owned by my brother for a short while in the mid '80s. A beautiful fillet-brazed frame... just found the only photo I'm aware of, sorry it's a bit grainy!



Another strange coincidence, the seatpost might be the very same one as on my Ron Cooper up-thread, as my bro sold me all the components from his bike in '87 when I first got the Ron.

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Originally Posted by PhilPub
Roy Thame! Lovely. I've seen precisely two of these in my life. One was hanging in a bike hire shop in Mallorca, the other was owned by my brother for a short while in the mid '80s. A beautiful fillet-brazed frame... just found the only photo I'm aware of, sorry it's a bit grainy!



Another strange coincidence, the seatpost might be the very same one as on my Ron Cooper up-thread, as my bro sold me all the components from his bike in '87 when I first got the Ron.
Great picture! Thank you for sharing it.

I'd never heard of Roy Thame when this frameset popped up in the local classifieds in my preferred size. I did some reading up, and decided quickly that it was an opportunity not to be wasted. And I'm really glad I didn't.

BTW, it seems that its builder, Tom Quick of Forest Hill, and Ron Cooper knew each other quite well.
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Originally Posted by bikeaddiction1
As Marinoni are custom made they may have switched BB thread based on customer request. I have not taken mine apart yet but as it has a Shimano crank that it will not be Italian thread. Note that even the fork crown markings are the same on the two bikes.
While your frame might be English threaded, I would disagree that Shimano cranks guarantee English thread. Shimano most definitely makes Italian threaded bottom brackets.
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Old 05-04-20, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by non-fixie

BTW, it seems that its builder, Tom Quick of Forest Hill, and Ron Cooper knew each other quite well.
Excellent! You're jogging my memory now, but I didn't realise Tom Quick was connected. TJ Quick did indeed have a shop in Forest Hill, half a mile down the road from Ron in Honor Oak. I spent my first 28 years living in Nunhead, another mile down the road. Little did I know growing up that one of the UK's best frame builders was my local bike shop. The first time I had my Ron resprayed (rusty headset and top tube cable guides, naughty me!) I took it in to TJ Quick to get it done.
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Originally Posted by cchmilar
While your frame might be English threaded, I would disagree that Shimano cranks guarantee English thread. Shimano most definitely makes Italian threaded bottom brackets.
Yea, I don't doubt that. I overhauled a Bianchi with shimano cranks and both bearing cups where RH thread. Through me off for a bit.
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Originally Posted by bikeaddiction1
Yea, I don't doubt that. I overhauled a Bianchi with shimano cranks and both bearing cups where RH thread. Through me off for a bit.
I just checked my serial number. It begins is a "0", so I guess the frame is from 1990. Thank for the tip!
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I reckon my (Le) Kypo could fit in here. First gen Ergo levers on a '92 frame, so period correct!



(Ignore the pedals, they were for test ride purposes only.)
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Setting out for "handlebar testing". I took new Campagnolo components and made them look older by stripping and polishing.. It may have turned out a little too blingy. This is a bit of a different take on "retro roadies", more of a "restomod".

This is a frame I bought from CL. Added modern parts until we got to here. I already don't like the handlebars (ITM), and am putting Soma Hwy One on for the next test run. The triple is necessary for where I live.






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Originally Posted by Reynolds 531
Setting out for "handlebar testing". I took new Campagnolo components and made them look older by stripping and polishing.. It may have turned out a little too blingy. This is a bit of a different take on "retro roadies", more of a "restomod".

This is a frame I bought from CL. Added modern parts until we got to here. I already don't like the handlebars (ITM), and am putting Soma Hwy One on for the next test run. The triple is necessary for where I live.






is that a grammo stem? Or is that deda?
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is that a grammo stem? Or is that deda?
That is Origin 8 "Ultim8". I chose it because I can swap handlebars or stems quickly. It is 90mm, which may be too long. If I decide on shorter (which I probably will), then I will be trying a Deda Elementi MUREX 80mm. I am currently looking for the same type of thing in 70mm, it seems this bike has a longer top tube than my other bikes I am comfortable on.
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noglider What is mounted to the drive-side end of the front qr skewer on that fine bike?
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Brent, it's a large QR skewer nut with a cylinder the diameter of a handlebar. This is for mounting a headlight. It's not ideal because with the light so low, aiming the light is tricky. If it's too low, it doesn't light the road, and if it's too high, it goes into other people's eyes. I check it every time I go out.
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Originally Posted by Reynolds 531
Setting out for "handlebar testing". I took new Campagnolo components and made them look older by stripping and polishing.. It may have turned out a little too blingy. This is a bit of a different take on "retro roadies", more of a "restomod".

I already don't like the handlebars (ITM), and am putting Soma Hwy One on for the next test run. The triple is necessary for where I live.
Oh, do report back about the bar comparison (and the width) when you find one you like. The Hwy One is on my short list.
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Originally Posted by billytwosheds
Oh, do report back about the bar comparison (and the width) when you find one you like. The Hwy One is on my short list.

So far: Because I ended up with Campagnolo record brifters, they give a choice of cables running together out the front, or one across the front of the bar and one cable around the rear of the bar. Therefore, I chose a compact Deda 44 with double grooves. I initially separated the cables, and it felt terrible, so then I ran the cables together across the front of The Dedas. This was much better, so now I can choose a handlebar with a single groove across the front (much more common), which leads me to the 44cm Soma HwyOne. I have had great success dealing with Retrogression in Portland Oregon. They totally "get it".

The 44 was an easy choice because I have measured 45cm across my shoulder bumps. My cyclocross bike has 42 because I am always so close to people but it feels terrible. I tried 46 on a "gravel" bike, and it felt like a Harley. So 44cm it is, Goldilocks style.

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Originally Posted by Reynolds 531
Setting out for "handlebar testing". I took new Campagnolo components and made them look older by stripping and polishing.. It may have turned out a little too blingy. This is a bit of a different take on "retro roadies", more of a "restomod".

This is a frame I bought from CL. Added modern parts until we got to here. I already don't like the handlebars (ITM), and am putting Soma Hwy One on for the next test run. The triple is necessary for where I live.






That is awesome looking!

A frame like that is on my list of want want wants.
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