Need help identifying this bike
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Need help identifying this bike
I pulled this bike out of my stock pile for my next project. The frame has been repainted by a previous owner and I can't identify it. It is a lugged steel frame with forged Brev. Campagnolo drop outs. There are three small holes in the head tube which I assume where used to secure a now missing head badge. The following numbers are stamped in the bottom bracket in two rows:
WK7000231
11 620 492
There is a bit odd a mix of components. Mostly Campagnolo, which I can’t find any model name or number for. Components are as follows.
Camagnolo crank, shifters, derailleurs, headset, seat post
Madolo Speedy brakes and levers
Brooks professional saddle
3ttt (Italy) handlebar stem
Wheels: Shimano 105 hubs with Wolber rims and Suntour 6 speed cassette
Can anyone identify the frame manufacture, model, and possibly year? Maybe the model and date of components? Thanks in advance.
WK7000231
11 620 492
There is a bit odd a mix of components. Mostly Campagnolo, which I can’t find any model name or number for. Components are as follows.
Camagnolo crank, shifters, derailleurs, headset, seat post
Madolo Speedy brakes and levers
Brooks professional saddle
3ttt (Italy) handlebar stem
Wheels: Shimano 105 hubs with Wolber rims and Suntour 6 speed cassette
Can anyone identify the frame manufacture, model, and possibly year? Maybe the model and date of components? Thanks in advance.
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Those are the deepest lug cutouts I have ever seen. Nervex lugs...?
That seems like a mish mash of parts someone updated as needed.
That seems like a mish mash of parts someone updated as needed.
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A July 1977 Worksop-built Raleigh would be my guess.
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The lug pattern is BOCAMA Professionelle Luxe with cutout pattern B4.
The domed stay ends are somewhat suggestive of a UK origin.
Possible that one of the numbers on the shell is from a licensing agency. Note that the "W" number is very evenly spaced and well struck while the second number less so.
You do not mention threading. Would expect Italian not to be a possibility.
No good images of crown are provided. All we can tell is that it is semi-sloping (perhaps it belongs in the forum's recent thread on semi-sloping crowns ).
Since we have a respray we cannot place too much weight on the presence/absence of specific braze-ons.
Possible frame may be slightly earlier than one would guess at first glance.
DCI Maurice AKA @MauriceMoss is sure to knock the question out the ballpark in two shakes of a lamb's tail.
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The lug pattern is BOCAMA Professionelle Luxe with cutout pattern B4.
The domed stay ends are somewhat suggestive of a UK origin.
Possible that one of the numbers on the shell is from a licensing agency. Note that the "W" number is very evenly spaced and well struck while the second number less so.
You do not mention threading. Would expect Italian not to be a possibility.
No good images of crown are provided. All we can tell is that it is semi-sloping (perhaps it belongs in the forum's recent thread on semi-sloping crowns ).
Since we have a respray we cannot place too much weight on the presence/absence of specific braze-ons.
Possible frame may be slightly earlier than one would guess at first glance.
DCI Maurice AKA @MauriceMoss is sure to knock the question out the ballpark in two shakes of a lamb's tail.
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The BB is square taper. I was pleasantly surprised to have the crank bolts remove the arm without needing a puller.
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This is something Magistroni did in 1965 with the Super Zenith set.
When copied years later by Shimano it was hailed as a great innovation.
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Thank you for the additional information & images.
Can see nothing to contraindicate @non-fixie 's assessment.
Crown bears some similarity to Cinelli MR & Everest C52, but there are several with this shape...
TI understandably inclined to go with a provider such as Davis, for obvious reasons.
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WRT the model: something doesn't jibe here. Raleighs of that era - at least the European models - typically didn't have top tube cable guides or shifter bosses. Shifters were clamped, and rear bake cables used either cable clips or a couple of housing stops, like this:
They may have been added later.
They may have been added later.
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+1, my initial thought, even before I started reading through the responses, was a Worksop built 1977 Raleigh. It's obviously a repaint and looks to originally have been black. This and Campagnolo dropouts with eyelets, would be indicative of a Competition GS. Given the repaint, the cable tunnels are likely an addition, as would be the shift lever bosses and bottle bosses.
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+1, my initial thought, even before I started reading through the responses, was a Worksop built 1977 Raleigh. It's obviously a repaint and looks to originally have been black. This and Campagnolo dropouts with eyelets, would be indicative of a Competition GS. Given the repaint, the cable tunnels are likely an addition, as would be the shift lever bosses and bottle bosses.
Components are another matter. The Campagnolo seat post, front derailleur, and head set, Brooks saddle, and possibly the bottom bracket match the 77 Competition. I don't think the 3ttt stem and unbranded handlebar, or Modolo brakes do. The wheels and remainder of the drive train appear to be of newer vintage.
Unless someone else knows something else I think this is as close to an identity as I can get. Unfortunately I am too big for the bike and the repaint and miss matched components likely reduce the value fore resale, but it will still be a nice ride when I am done.
I have another bike with identical paint that I got from the same guy, but it has definite Bianchi identifiers (B stamped in the fork crown, etc.). I will likely be looking for help determining the model and year of it too.
Thanks for yours, and everyone else's help.
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To bring things full circle I thought I would post the finished bike. The new owner is happy/
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Beautiful!
Very clean look.
Brent
Very clean look.
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... as he damn well better be, assuming that is his size. I'll bet it rides beautifully. Nice job, and great find.
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