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Old 06-06-20, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by veganbikes View Post
My top recommendation would be Firefly. However you have
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amongst many others.

Me personally I wouldn't' do lugged stuff unless it is metal on metal lugs. If you are really looking to add carbon to the ride find someone who does ExoGrid like Holland Cycles. A pure Ti-alloy frame is going to last longer than a lugged carbon frame.
Ti lugged carbon can't be doing to bad longevity wise. Seven has been doing it since 1997.

And I don't like the idea of the exogrid style for a couple reasons. If it is glued in the full length, it won't let the carbon do its job. If it isn't glued the full length, it is an open spot for grit to get into. Unless they use a flexible adhesive, which I don't see doing in this application.
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Old 06-06-20, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
After all that.

Sign of the times?

Umm, sorry I narrowed my search critera??
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Old 06-06-20, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Melvang View Post
Update: I am going to go with a titanium lugged carbon frame. So this pretty much leaves Seven Cycles Firefly, K Bedford Customs, and No. 22 (though their ti/carbon frames are just a carbon seat tube). Are there any other builders filling this niche in a niche market?
Dean Vader Exogrid. Very cool.
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Old 06-06-20, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by veganbikes View Post
My top recommendation would be Firefly. However you have
Seven
Moots
Independent Fabrication
Zinn Cycles
Ti Cycles
No.22
Holland Cycles
amongst many others.

Me personally I wouldn't' do lugged stuff unless it is metal on metal lugs. If you are really looking to add carbon to the ride find someone who does ExoGrid like Holland Cycles. A pure Ti-alloy frame is going to last longer than a lugged carbon frame.
Right now, my top choice is the Seven 622XX followed by Firefly. Though what I really want for paint I am not sure they will do. I want completely raw, no brushed, not media blast, leave the visual HAZ from welds, leave scratches from fabrication, totally raw.
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Old 06-06-20, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Melvang View Post
Ti lugged carbon can't be doing to bad longevity wise. Seven has been doing it since 1997.

And I don't like the idea of the exogrid style for a couple reasons. If it is glued in the full length, it won't let the carbon do its job. If it isn't glued the full length, it is an open spot for grit to get into. Unless they use a flexible adhesive, which I don't see doing in this application.
I know people are still doing it but still the actual frame is unlikely to last as long as just a pure Ti-alloy frame.

I personally just like the look of the Exogrid I don't know how well it would work.
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Old 06-06-20, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Melvang View Post
Right now, my top choice is the Seven 622XX followed by Firefly. Though what I really want for paint I am not sure they will do. I want completely raw, no brushed, not media blast, leave the visual HAZ from welds, leave scratches from fabrication, totally raw.
I am sure they would do it if you wanted that. I can't imagine them saying no to your request. Would love to see the bike when finished. Firefly is awesome. Kevin and the crew are super nice and one day a custom FF will be mine.
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"Rivendell raised" is having your bars level with or higher than your saddle. Everything racing is, Grant Peterson and Rivendell Bikes is the opposite. Have fun with your new bike when you get it, and show us pics!

EDIT: I've been told that I was passing off a term that I made up as being in common usage. It isn't. I made it up, on the spot. I think it's pretty good!

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Old 06-06-20, 12:51 PM
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"Rivendell raised" is having your bars level with or higher than your saddle. Everything racing is, Grant Peterson and Rivendell Bikes is the opposite. Have fun with your new bike when you get it, and show us pics!
Making up a phrase for this thread and then implying that it's in common usage?

Calvin Trillin of the New Yorker once wrote that, when a friend disputed his claim of the origin of a quote, Calvin replied, "But I saw it on paper!" The friend asked, "Was the paper in a typewriter at the time?"
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Old 06-06-20, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Melvang View Post
Umm, sorry I narrowed my search critera??
Actually, you pretty much changed it. And obviously never bothered with the link I posted, as evidenced by your response to it.

The iggy list grows once again.
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Old 06-06-20, 04:49 PM
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Do a blind test of a top steel bike versus a Ti bike and I bet you pick the steel bike.
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Old 06-06-20, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
Actually, you pretty much changed it. And obviously never bothered with the link I posted, as evidenced by your response to it.

The iggy list grows once again.
I actually went through that entire list weeding out all companies either based outside the US, then got rid of all companies that had production outside the US. Then I narrowed my bike frame from titanium to titanium lugged carbon.

I can screen shot my browser history of you want. It is pretty much solid bike companies sites for about 4 hours last night.

But to ahead and believe what you want.
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Old 06-06-20, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Mulberry20 View Post
Do a blind test of a top steel bike versus a Ti bike and I bet you pick the steel bike.
Even if picked steel blind, I wouldn't buy one. I live in the rust belt. I will not buy a steel bike. I have seen what happens to aluminum, steel, titanium, and carbon fiber in high salt environments. I used to work in Sea Hawk helicopters in the Navy. Carbon and titanium were not affected at all. Aluminum would corrode of the surface corrosion coating (don't remember the name of the stuff, but it wasn't annodizing, came in a can and turned the aluminum a slightly greenish yellow), steel and aluminum get ugly together without proper anti-seize (look at Ford 5.4I spark plug issues).

I have reasons I decisions.

Are you a used car salesperson?

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Old 06-06-20, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Melvang View Post
Even if picked steel blind, I wouldn't buy one. I live in the rust belt. I will not buy a steel bike. I have seen what happens to aluminum, steel, titanium, and carbon fiber in high salt environments. I used to work in Sea Hawk helicopters in the Navy. Carbon and titanium were not affected at all. Aluminum would corrode of the surface corrosion coating (don't remember the name of the stuff, but it wasn't annodizing, came in a can and turned the aluminum a slightly greenish yellow), steel and aluminum get ugly together without proper anti-seize (look at Ford 5.4I spark plug issues).

I have reasons I decisions.

Are you a used car salesperson?
It is good you are asking for advice because you honestly donít know what you are talking about. It is sorta of humorous actually.
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Old 06-06-20, 05:34 PM
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It is good you are asking for advice because you honestly donít know what you are talking about. It is sorta of humorous actually.

You have heard of stainless steel and niobium alloys correct?
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Old 06-06-20, 06:05 PM
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You have heard of stainless steel and niobium alloys correct?
Yes I have, and I still don't want them.

​I don't know what I am talking about? I used to work as an aviation structural mechanic in the Navy working on SH-60F and HH-60H Sea Hawk helicopters. Working on them in the Bahamas, Florida, Nevada, middle of the ocean (summer and winter), and desert in Iraq and Kuwait.

After that, I went to work as a millwright and dust apprenticeship through Local Union 2158. Finished top of my class. Think industrial construction specializing in equipment installation, modification, repair, fabrication, removal, and demo. Did that for 12 years ish. Currently work industrial maintenance in one of the largest cast iron foundries in the USA.

I know a thing or two about corrosion because I have seen a thing or two corrode. I have seen 316LVM corrode away to practically nothing.

The only time I have seen titanium corrode was improper welding procedures. Though that really isn't corrosion, but more a reaction between the titanium and oxygen at high temps.

Tell me, do they paint internal threads, the inside of all tubing? I don't think so.

I am not buying a steel bike because I don't want a steel bike. I plan on having this bike at least 20 years. My 7005 T6 frame Kona is going on 17 years.

Besides, what difference is it to you on how I spend my money?
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Not sure if a Ti-lug carbon frame would work better than all-carbon. In my crashes with steel bikes it's been the fork or frame tubes that bent.
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Old 06-07-20, 12:28 AM
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Not sure if a Ti-lug carbon frame would work better than all-carbon. In my crashes with steel bikes it's been the fork or frame tubes that bent.
Which is fine for ti-lugged carbon frame. Individual tubes (probably in a pair to open up the triangle in question) can be replaced without killing the entire frame. And you don't have a repair over a crack, but an outright replacement.
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