Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > General Cycling Discussion
Reload this Page >

Aluminum: are there any fans left?

Notices
General Cycling Discussion Have a cycling related question or comment that doesn't fit in one of the other specialty forums? Drop on in and post in here! When possible, please select the forum above that most fits your post!

Aluminum: are there any fans left?

Old 06-14-20, 01:25 PM
  #126  
shelbyfv
Senior Member
 
shelbyfv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 6,836
Mentioned: 27 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1664 Post(s)
Liked 938 Times in 562 Posts
Originally Posted by Mulberry20 View Post
Go for it!!! You will be at 4k on a restoration in the blink of an eye. Paint, decals, new fork, headset, stem, bars, groupset, wheels,pedals, tires, saddle and labor.
I hope not! I have a nice 7800 group, wheels, tires, saddle, pedals and I do my own work. Fork looks fine on that one?? It is a little gaudy for my taste. Probably a solid color powder coat and just some down tube decals. Should be under $1000, easily.
shelbyfv is offline  
Likes For shelbyfv:
Old 06-14-20, 02:09 PM
  #127  
Mulberry20
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 364
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 190 Post(s)
Liked 57 Times in 41 Posts
Originally Posted by dfrench52 View Post
Hi folks... I've been looking for a new bike and am considering an aluminum-framed one. What's putting me off is this business of creaking bottom brackets. I'd think that a metal framed bike would be just the ticket for a threaded bb, but no, press-fit seems to be the order of the day with maybe one exception, Trek. Is there anyone here who has an objective measure as to the percentage of press-fit bb problems in newer bikes? Are there a greater percentage of bb problems with CF frames when compared to Aluminum? It seems to be a long-term discussion in forums, but it's probably fair to say that only the problem cases get aired (squeaky wheel getting the grease, so to speak.&#128513

Thanks
Actually I can think of three carbon bikes with threaded BB, Specialized, Pinarello and Bianchi. Check each model. Aluminum bike BB do creak. My old CAAD 7 did and at that time is was a top level aluminum bike. Every time I complained they torqued the cranks and said it was fixed. I donít know about newer bikes because i am only around steel and carbon bikes sometimes Ti.

A good steel option is Gunnar. You can probably be out the door for $2500 I am guessing with Shimano 105.

Last edited by Mulberry20; 06-14-20 at 02:13 PM.
Mulberry20 is offline  
Old 06-14-20, 02:15 PM
  #128  
Mulberry20
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 364
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 190 Post(s)
Liked 57 Times in 41 Posts
Originally Posted by shelbyfv View Post
I hope not! I have a nice 7800 group, wheels, tires, saddle, pedals and I do my own work. Fork looks fine on that one?? It is a little gaudy for my taste. Probably a solid color powder coat and just some down tube decals. Should be under $1000, easily.
There is a guy in Vermont with parts and decals. The fork? I think I would put a carbon fork on it.
Mulberry20 is offline  
Old 06-14-20, 04:38 PM
  #129  
Metieval
Senior Member
 
Metieval's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Ohio
Posts: 2,611

Bikes: Road bike, Hybrid, Gravel, Drop bar SS, hard tail MTB

Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1115 Post(s)
Liked 172 Times in 131 Posts
Originally Posted by Mulberry20 View Post
Aluminum bike BB do creak. My old CAAD 7 did and at that time is was a top level aluminum bike. Every time I complained they torqued the cranks and said it was fixed. I don’t know about newer bikes because i am only around steel and carbon bikes sometimes Ti.
This is a huge reason I started wrenching on my own bicycles. If something squeaks you don't tighten it more, you pull it part clean it, lube it and put it back together.

I am sure that the bike shop will blame the internet for the loss of business though.
Metieval is offline  
Likes For Metieval:
Old 06-14-20, 08:53 PM
  #130  
DropBarFan
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 3,151

Bikes: 2013 Surly Disc Trucker, 2004 Novara Randonee , old fixie , etc

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 671 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 44 Times in 38 Posts
Originally Posted by cyccommute View Post
Thereís more to suspension than comfort. Iíd say that comfort is actually the least important reason for suspension. Front suspension increase control. If youíve ever gotten a rigid bike trapped in a rut, you learn the lesson of staying out of ruts fairly quickly. To get out of the rut with a rigid fork, you have to counter steer but the wheel is trapped against the rut. You are probably going to crash if you canít come to a stop.

With a suspension fork, the bike will almost climb out of the rut by itself. The fork provides give and allows the side knobs to catch the edge of the rut and climb out. The give of the fork allows that little bit of counter steer you need.
My steel Surly Disc Trucker front end can bounce on bumpy descents reducing control when it's needed most. & while the ride is fairly comfy, a suspension fork would be 3X comfier & give safer handling.

For road bikes, wouldn't an alu-frame/CF fork bike be nearly as comfy as an all-CF bike? A recently-posted video explained how various materials have little effect on absorbing rear shock. & one could get one of those fancy CF flexy seat-posts.

I hadn't heard about the alu BB creak before, hasn't happened to me including with an old Cannondale that did high mileage on bad roads.
DropBarFan is offline  
Old 06-15-20, 04:29 AM
  #131  
dfrench52 
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Too far from the beach in Wake County, NC
Posts: 20

Bikes: Nishiki Medalist

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Liked 6 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by Mulberry20 View Post
Actually I can think of three carbon bikes with threaded BB, Specialized, Pinarello and Bianchi. Check each model. Aluminum bike BB do creak. My old CAAD 7 did and at that time is was a top level aluminum bike. Every time I complained they torqued the cranks and said it was fixed. I donít know about newer bikes because i am only around steel and carbon bikes sometimes Ti.

A good steel option is Gunnar. You can probably be out the door for $2500 I am guessing with Shimano 105.
Thanks very much four your suggestions. Specialized and Trek are sold locally and more in my price range.
dfrench52 is offline  
Old 06-15-20, 05:59 AM
  #132  
Germany_chris
Senior Member
 
Germany_chris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Southern Germany
Posts: 776
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 26 Post(s)
Liked 37 Times in 21 Posts
Early aluminum wasn't all that great just like early CF wasn't all that great but they've both come long way in the 40 or so years. I'm a steel/Ti guy but if I were to go out today to buy a bike for fast group rides either on the road or on the ttrail it'd be aluminum. Everything else out there is just to expensive (minus Surly on the dirt) to just go bang around and possibly/probably dump.
Germany_chris is offline  
Old 06-15-20, 06:07 AM
  #133  
dfrench52 
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Too far from the beach in Wake County, NC
Posts: 20

Bikes: Nishiki Medalist

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Liked 6 Times in 3 Posts
My feelings, exactly. The press-fit BB issue is something else altogether (probably belongs in another thread), but in my opinion, an aluminum frame would be a good candidate for a threaded BB.
dfrench52 is offline  
Likes For dfrench52:
Old 06-15-20, 08:33 AM
  #134  
FlMTNdude
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Gainesville FL
Posts: 512

Bikes: 1988 Panasonic, 1989 Fuji, Schwinn Beach Cruiser

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 113 Post(s)
Liked 50 Times in 38 Posts
The best material for a bike is the material on the bike which you enjoy riding. Opinions about quality of material aside, if you enjoy the bike and enjoy riding it then nothing else matters. That said, my bikes are steel. Not the latest, nor ever the greatest, but I ride. I have rode a carbon for about 50 miles, I didn't find anything special about the ride. And I have rode aluminium. For the price, put a decent groupset on the aluminium and ride. Frankly to me it has more to do with having to have the latest and greatest. A bike which fits you and has good working mechanicals will get you a long way.
FlMTNdude is offline  
Likes For FlMTNdude:
Old 06-15-20, 11:08 AM
  #135  
Steeler_fanatic
Member
 
Steeler_fanatic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 47

Bikes: 2018 Trek Domane ALR 5

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 14 Post(s)
Liked 8 Times in 6 Posts
I chose Al over carbon when I bought my bike. I thought the ride feel was superior and carbon was not worth the premium for otherwise similar configuration.
Steeler_fanatic is offline  
Old 06-15-20, 11:24 AM
  #136  
garciawork
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Meridian, ID
Posts: 1,346

Bikes: Mikkelsen, Kona Unit SS, Niner RLT Steel

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 70 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Iam definitely a steel/Ti guy, but due to cost I bought a Santa Cruz Chameleon aluminum frame and... I freaking love it. Almost no discernible difference to me vs my old ROS steel that I wish I hadn't sold. Never thought I'd own aluminum, but I like it! If I get the money for a new road bike, I may get an Allez sprint now. OrCAAD something.
garciawork is offline  
Old 06-15-20, 11:28 AM
  #137  
AlmostTrick
Tortoise Wins by a Hare!
 
AlmostTrick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Looney Tunes, IL
Posts: 6,977

Bikes: Wabi Special FG, Raleigh Roper, Nashbar AL-1, Miyata One Hundred, '70 Schwinn Lemonator and More!!

Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1341 Post(s)
Liked 518 Times in 292 Posts
Aluminum: are there any fans left?

Yes, Grainger still has a lot of them.

Aluminum fans
AlmostTrick is online now  
Likes For AlmostTrick:
Old 06-15-20, 11:29 AM
  #138  
TricycleTom
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Spiritwood, Saskatchewan
Posts: 94

Bikes: Jeunet 12, Car-Cycle X-4, Aerovironment Charger

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 9 Times in 7 Posts
Originally Posted by General Geoff View Post
I love aluminum, the material is great. It gets a bad rep because its the cheapest material and therefore is used in cheap designs with cheap components.

Get a premium aluminum bike and its fantastic.
The really cheap bikes are still all steel, right down to their slippery-when-wet rims. but Robert Persig's comment on steel applies to all alloys. People who don't work with metal tend to think that it exists in immutable shapes. A metalworker tends to think of it in terms of basic physical properties. You can get it to be any shape you want if you are skilled enough, and any other shape if you are not. There isn't even any steel in nature - anybody from the Bronze Age could have told you that. "Aluminum" runs the range from pure, soft metal to strong, brittle alloys. It overlaps a lot with cheap stainless steel in strength, but never in stiffness. The low density of aluminum allows it to be used in larger tubes, gaining strength and stiffness, but losing on wind resistance.
There are people who ask for carbon fiber to be fashionable, and I tend to give up trying to help them, and let someone else overcharge on the deal.
TricycleTom is offline  
Likes For TricycleTom:
Old 06-15-20, 11:39 AM
  #139  
wle
Senior Member
 
wle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: atlanta ga
Posts: 223

Bikes: road: 1999 GT road:40Kmi+ // 2001 fuji finest AL:9Kmi+//1991 schwinn paramount ODG:0.1Kmi+

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 6 Times in 3 Posts
my main road bike is al everything including the fork
GT

i guess it is stiff, i don;t really know

i have 3 other al bikes with either carbon or al forks, they all seem great to me
either klein or fuji

i'm not racing
wle
wle is offline  
Old 06-15-20, 11:39 AM
  #140  
Metieval
Senior Member
 
Metieval's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Ohio
Posts: 2,611

Bikes: Road bike, Hybrid, Gravel, Drop bar SS, hard tail MTB

Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1115 Post(s)
Liked 172 Times in 131 Posts
btw Speaking of Aluminum and Aluminum frame fans.....

412 pages of them!!!!!

https://www.bikeforums.net/road-cycl...-caad-412.html
Metieval is offline  
Old 06-15-20, 11:40 AM
  #141  
road292
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 27
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 20 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 9 Times in 6 Posts
I ride a 2010 (2011?) aluminum Trek 2.3. It has 105 components and was a huge upgrade (for me) over the 1990s era fat tube aluminum Cannondale I had been riding before the Trek. I'm not a clydesdale, I don't race, and I don't really care about an extra pound or two or three of frame weight.

I do care about the components, though, and the problem these days with aluminum is that it seems to have moved decidedly down-market, such that you can no longer find aluminum frames with 105 or Ultegra level groups, at least not unless you build it up yourself, which I don't want to do. Thus my next bike will be CF, not because I'm dissatisfied with aluminum, but because I want 105 or Ultegra.
road292 is offline  
Likes For road292:
Old 06-15-20, 12:33 PM
  #142  
bruce19
Senior Member
 
bruce19's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Lebanon (Liberty Hill), CT
Posts: 7,226

Bikes: CAAD 12, MASI Gran Criterium S, Colnago World Cup CX & Guru steel

Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1197 Post(s)
Liked 532 Times in 313 Posts
Originally Posted by road292 View Post
I ride a 2010 (2011?) aluminum Trek 2.3. It has 105 components and was a huge upgrade (for me) over the 1990s era fat tube aluminum Cannondale I had been riding before the Trek. I'm not a clydesdale, I don't race, and I don't really care about an extra pound or two or three of frame weight.

I do care about the components, though, and the problem these days with aluminum is that it seems to have moved decidedly down-market, such that you can no longer find aluminum frames with 105 or Ultegra level groups, at least not unless you build it up yourself, which I don't want to do. Thus my next bike will be CF, not because I'm dissatisfied with aluminum, but because I want 105 or Ultegra.
My 2019 CAAD 12 is 105 and cost me $1350. The new CAAD 13 can be had with all the components you mentioned. You can find a lot of AL bikes with 105 and Ultegra. Not sure why you think you can't.
bruce19 is offline  
Likes For bruce19:
Old 06-15-20, 12:35 PM
  #143  
Memden
Newbie
 
Join Date: May 2020
Posts: 4
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by taco2ewsday View Post
As a heavier rider I trust aluminum over Carbon, I do have a carbon fork however.
It's the fork that scares me most. If a carbon fork fails, it's over the handlebars. If you are willing to trust a carbon fork shouldn't you be able to trust an all-carbon bike? (Assuming you are within the manufacturer's recommended weight limit.) Aluminum can also fail catastrophically! it is a brittle metal and does not flex like carbon and does not bend like steel. It just cracks and breaks. In fact, one might argue that aluminum is more likely to fail more catastrophically than carbon since it will just snap, I've never heard of a carbon frame just snapping.
Memden is offline  
Old 06-15-20, 12:59 PM
  #144  
Jeff Neese
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 274
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 90 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Originally Posted by Paul Barnard View Post
I don't begrudge those who have to suffer aluminum frames on account of their limited financial means. I used to be poor too.
I agree. Someone's buying all those aluminum-framed Walmart and Target bicycles.
Jeff Neese is offline  
Old 06-15-20, 01:01 PM
  #145  
alanf
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Canada
Posts: 323

Bikes: Devinci Millenium, Gary Fisher Joshua

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 59 Post(s)
Liked 12 Times in 8 Posts
The downside to CF to me is that if it fails and you happen to inhale the dust from the fibres, you are going to die, its just a matter of time as the small shards of fibre get in your lungs and poke holes in the cell walls which causes bleeding and infection.

I first heard about this from an ex-military friend who read a report about a heavy equipment guy who ploughed (buried) the corpse of the first Canadian F-18 to crash in Canada. Not long after he got serious lung problems and died. They determined the cause was the CF in his lungs..

Having said that my fav steed, 2000 Devinci Millenial roadbike has a front fork made of CF.

I am saying this to make PPL aware of that danger, not to dis CF.
alanf is offline  
Old 06-15-20, 01:09 PM
  #146  
cyclejoc
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Posts: 3
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by sjanzeir View Post
I don't know if it's just me or that it's actually become a thing to crap all over aluminum recently, but if these great forums of ours are anything to go by, most everyone seems to be riding aluminum not because they want to, but because they feel like they have to.

Everywhere you look around the forums, people seem to be pining for something other than aluminum: there are the fanatical steel purists who talk down to you because... nostalgia and this whole "nothing rides better" business.

There are the cost-no-object carbon bros who seem to believe that the fact that they could afford, bought, and paid for carbon fiber somehow gives them the right - nay, the obligation - to crap on the "lesser beings" around here as their second favorite pastime.

Then there are the titanium elitists, whose other favorite sport seems to be crapping on other titanium elitists because... only they have the birthright to ride titanium? Or something - whatever.

And the bamboo people? There seems to be too few of them around here to cause any major controversy, aside from the possibly occasional you're-killing-the-planet-and-we're-saving-it mantra.

So, where are the aluminum fans in all of this? Are there any of them actually left? It's been a long time since I've seen anyone (dare to) say that they actually prefer aluminum to any other material, even though they could easily afford to ride carbon, steel or titanium. After having been dubbed "the material of the future" at some point in the history of cycling, how did aluminum fall from grace like this, to the point where it almost became "the material of the dumb?"
I have a Cannondale CAAD12 with 105. I really like it. Haven't had an issue in 4000 miles. It's a light as some carbon.
cyclejoc is offline  
Old 06-15-20, 01:11 PM
  #147  
Breedoni
Newbie
 
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: Leesburg, FL
Posts: 1

Bikes: 83 Klein Team Super, 84 Klein Advantage, 84 MountainKlein, Yeti SB5 mtb

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Iím still loving my MountainKlein from 1986!! Ride it often.
Breedoni is offline  
Old 06-15-20, 01:33 PM
  #148  
joeconn4
Newbie
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: vermont
Posts: 1

Bikes: serotta colorado lt (1992)

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
My first real good bicycle was a Cannondale SR800. Got it right as I was graduating college, spring 1987, because my girlfriend at the time and her family were into bike racing. I was a runner/XC skier but wanted to get into tri's and dabble in bike racing. She and her Dad got me connected with a shop that did a great job sizing me up and getting that bike set up to race. I LOVED that bike so much!! It fit great, was mechanically easy, and gave back as much as I could have ever wanted when I punched it. I raced it until about 1992 when some cretin stole it out of my garage. Had some super fast bike splits and TTs on that bike, and it always treated me well in training.

After that one got stolen I went with a Serotta Colorado LT (steel) that I'm still riding.
joeconn4 is offline  
Old 06-15-20, 01:44 PM
  #149  
Leadrunner
Senior Member
 
Leadrunner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Dallas, Fort Worth Metroplex
Posts: 72

Bikes: 2015 Specialized Diverge Elite A1, 2013 KHS Flite, 1998 Trek 800

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 14 Post(s)
Liked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Current primary steed is Al with Carbon fork. It was priced right and rides beautifully. Unless something either very bad or something very good happens, it will probably be my last. What I do like about my bike is the paint job. It is a matt black (read stealth), and no one can see me until I have already passed them.
Leadrunner is offline  
Old 06-15-20, 01:50 PM
  #150  
alanf
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Canada
Posts: 323

Bikes: Devinci Millenium, Gary Fisher Joshua

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 59 Post(s)
Liked 12 Times in 8 Posts
Originally Posted by sjanzeir View Post
.... And the bamboo people? There seems to be too few of them around here to cause any major controversy, aside from the possibly occasional you're-killing-the-planet-and-we're-saving-it mantra.
Good heavens! I cannot imagine trusting bamboo on a long downhill in the rain. Not to mention if a giant panda or a red panda happened upon it...
alanf is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.