grolby

And on the other hand, I did have surgery and didn't get on the trainer for a good six weeks or so after the operation. I hurt, and it was the off-season anyway.

Basically, gerundium, "let pain be your guide" is right on. Don't put too much pressure on yourself. Like I said in another thread, the healing process for a broken collarbone can be pretty variable depending upon how complicated the break is, and presumably other factors as well.

gsteinb

I raced six weeks after crashing and a month after surgery, and I spend 4 days in icu with a pneumothorax, collapsed lung, and head trauma. Let htfu be your guide.

ovoleg

dude what a scam!! I knew there was a catch

sijray21

The only good part about that offer is the long term savings and that the value of the phone you trade in is applied to the new cost of the phone you purchase through t-mobile. If you keep the phone longer than 2 years it could end up being a lot cheaper than the other carriers since they factor the price of their plans based on the 2-year (or shorter) upgrade time line. So if you're on Verizon and you keep your phone without upgrading you're essentially subsidizing everyone else on Verizon that is getting an upgrade. AT&T and Sprint do the same thing. T-mobile does it a little differently since they break up the cost of the phone into an optional 24-month installments, therefore avoiding the need for an ETF. I'm thinking of switching since it's cheaper for my wife and I in the short term (~$30/mo) and even cheaper in the long term (~$60/MO for each month we each don't get a new phone)

Obviously everyone's scenario is different, though.

thechemist

My only issue with surgery/wrecking is work politics would give me hell. Its a blessing and a curse to be needed

ovoleg

I agree. I think I'm going to re-evaluate my phone contract when I get close to the iPhone 6. Right now I'm happy with the 5s and don't plan on changing for awhile.

globecanvas

Otherwise you'd just go ahead and crash?

tetonrider

i'm a huge believer that motion and activity help promote healing. i think working through discomfort while exercising (hey--things would have been uncomfortable anyway!) is good mentally and promotes circulation/reduces inflammation.

waterrockets 

Yeah, for someone who is maybe 1 year into a Verizon contract this September, sees the iPhone 6 come out and likes to have the latest, this deal would work great. Jump ship from Verizon for no cost, get dealer-trade-in credit for your 1-year-old iPhone 5s, and pay a fair price for the new model while cutting your plan costs significantly.

Same thing for October when the new Nexus comes out. Good opportunity to upgrade your phone if you like to have the latest but are regretting Verizon prices.

grolby

It's good to know that you're so tough I guess, but for me it's just bike racing.

gsteinb

I don't know where you get the impression it's something more to me, or to anyone else.

thechemist

not what I meant obviously but if I think about wrecking and all that is attributed with it. The pain and discomfort of wrecking is at the bottom of the totem pole.

shovelhd

Everyone's level is different. You just told the kid to HTFU based on your experience.

Creakyknees

there are lots of other videos I could post that would DQ a lot more than that....

Homebrew01

I don't think would be a bad thing for us. We're all a generation or 2 behind with our phones.

grolby

And yet you implied pretty strongly that taking one's time, not riding against doctor's orders or when it is painful to do so is something a wuss would do. But if it's just bike racing, who cares if I'm a wuss? It wasn't empathetic and it didn't contain some grain of useful advice under the meanness to justify it. I think it's cool if you want to get back out there so soon after a serious injury, and if gerundium wants get out there next week and feels up to it, that's cool, too. But this is exactly the stupid bull**** that I'm trying to push back against, that taking your time to heal an injury and resume normal training makes you weak or inadequate as a racing cyclist. There's so, so much HTFU just beaten into the cultural bedrock of this sport, and then people wonder why the burnout rate is so high. Anyone who gets hurt or gets tired or whatever should use their own internal wants and needs to guide how they come back from that. The endless, macho HTFU drumbeat of this sport isn't one of its endearing qualities. So you're someone who likes that pressure to keep going when the going is tough, or you're just wired to have that drive, that's great, but I've seen it beat a lot of other people down. I'm still here because I've been able to back down instead of continuing to beat my head against the wall when I just wasn't that into it. Maybe that's part of what keeps me from getting the kind of results you do, but I think my results would be a lot worse if I wasn't this way, because I would have just quit. But I love racing my bike. Being a super hardass toughguy? I don't love that, so I don't do it. I'm happy with my being that way. And lo and behold, I'm still racing despite persistent, endlessly recurring injury issues from basically day one that I started doing this. I feel like I'm doing a pretty damn good job of being tough for someone who isn't tough enough.

gsteinb

Wow you're a whiney little thing.

I don't know where you assume I rode against doctor's advice, or that I would think it's a good idea.

If you can't read the implied jest in it (htfu), for certain you're one who takes yourself way too serious.

The truth is many back down when schedules are tough, or an injury sets them back, or for a wide variety of life's challenges. Rising against adversity, particularly after one invests a huge block of time building up, is what allows people to excel. YMMV. If you think I'm somehow not justified to express my opinions, or experiences in coming back from injury you can honestly go scratch.

That you think what I wrote is mean is really more a reflection of your own state of mind and disposition than anything rooted in an objective reality. So I'm sorry you're cranky, but take it out on someone else.

gsteinb

I didn't actually post anything directly to anyone. I offered my own experience, which is my own experience, kinda like yours is your own experience (which were pretty similar - six weeks vs eight and I had surgery). And short of you having procured a medical degree since last weekend, or stayed in a holiday inn express last night, I think my experience is of equivalent value to yours. Meaning, pretty much nothing. As with all injuries getting advice on the internet is ****ing dumb.

Still, how that means cycling is something more to mean than just cycling would still be a logical leap worth pondering.

thechemist

my traps are still a bit sore from the nerves of racing sunday. Saw quite a few guys go down and probably had the death grip on my drops. Hoping to get some good quality stretching in tonight

hammy56

gstein is such a bully.

grolby

No, this is all BS dude. I assumed nothing about what you did - only that you basically said the perspective I offered had no value, because look at this other experience where I did this way more awesome thing. I get that's not what you thought what you were saying, but too bad, you still did. And I reject that. Call it whiny if you like, disclaim responsibility by saying it was a joke, whatever. I think that's a lame thing to do, but I don't want to continue this conversation anymore than you do.

gsteinb

Oh no, we'll continue it for sure. Hear me clearly…you're projecting. Period. I shared my own experience. Which is what I did under doctor's guidance and with my wife's support. That you want to take that on as a challenge to you is your own drama. I didn't say anything about your perspective, and really that you envision me as some tough guy who has some judgement over what you do is silly. That's pretty far afield from reality.

waterrockets 

You can't prove it anyway because of the wookie mask

grolby

Oh, okay, I guess we will. Hey, maybe it's an internet thing. You come flying in with an HTFU, and yeah, that pissed me off. Here's the thing, if you mean all these other things you said:

Maybe you should try saying them FIRST. Because if that's what you want to get across, what you originally wrote sure didn't do the job.

But now I guess we're going to hear that this is all my fault because I'm projecting. I think I'm supposed to do the cool thing on the Internet and pretend that nothing ever bothers me and I always come into every thread ready to read backwards and forwards and make sure I carefully parse every single sentence for the proper meaning and be sure not to ever inflect with anything I'm bringing in with me. But what can I say? Sometimes I have feels.

EDIT: Seriously, just forget it. I've been sensitive lately. I'm really not interested in picking that apart in public. Don't take that to mean I don't mean what I said - but it's too damn easy to get a rise out of me right now.

Ygduf

probably that post where you told him to HTFU and go ride on whatever broken bone or head injury he has, like you did?

I dunno. Speculating...