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Retro roadies- old frames with STI's or Ergos

Old 07-27-19, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
This conversation actually occurred during a recent group ride.

"Why put 11sp DA on an old bike?" (1988 Centurion)
"Why put 11sp DA on an new bike?"
"Because it works."
"Well, (duh) there you go."

One of the guys in the group is from Ireland, and splits his time between a 7900 BMC and a 9000 Dogma.
He was riding along, and just grinned. I showed up later on a Bob Jackson, and he said "you are sick."
This is also precisely why I put newer stuff on older bikes, because it works. I don't know the exact tone of the Irish guy's comments, but it's pretty interesting that a guy riding a Dura-Ace equipped BMC or Pinarello would be shocked by a very nice vintage bike (that may or may not have been modernized) as either of those new bikes would cost mulitples of a Bob Jackson in today's market. $1100-1200 gets someone a pretty fast Shimano 105-spec road bike. Or it gets that person a very clean vintage Paramount. $1500-1800 gets one near or at Ultegra...or it gets a vintage Paramount frame with modern Ultegra components. A DA 9000 Dogma is $10k easy. I like saving theoretical money.

Thank you, BTW, for your extremely kind compliments of my Prologue!! It was certainly an execution of a vision (as you pointed out). I may be a pound over my fully mechanical 7900 setup's weight (with a lighter quill adapter and lighter, older Vittoria tires) at 20.5 fully dressed, but this looks even better to me, and of course the shift levers feel wonderful and shift sublimely. Lower gearing while still being able to brain fart a 53-28 big-big combo without issue. More black to make the tan wall Corsas pop (I am in love), and of course the C24s--or their immediate, incremental-improvement predecessors, of which I own two (this pair included) and nearly snagged a third, all because people are finally dumping their high-end 10-speed wheels.

Your Battaglin looks great, and is the exact same frame (assuming SLX) as my taller version...minus the missing original fork on mine....and the good paint, of which mine lacks....and the booger weld at the drive-side rear dropout/chainstay....
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Old 07-28-19, 05:23 AM
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The Irish lad is a fan of C & V. He has the kids/mortgage/race of rats thing going, and he’s still a hammer. Enough so his bikes show it. Met him in a paceline while I was on a Raleigh Competition and a week later on an Ironman. He laughs every time.

In an odd way, he has his vicarious grip on C&V thru me, and when the paceline takes off, I just tell him “mow ‘em down.” He grins and obliges.

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Old 07-28-19, 05:32 AM
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This thread rejuvenates.
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Love this thread!

So many great builds here, so many members with great skills and excellent attention to detail. No reason why these old frames can't be "rejuvenated" as well with fresh new mechanicals (or electronics!). It's very encouraging to see what others do with their visions. @RiddleOfSteel, that Prologue is a perfect representation of how refined a build like this could be.

I've got an '89 Puch - Columbus Cromor tubing - that rides so nice. I don't expect the Suntour Accushift stuff on it to be problem-free forever. When the time comes to start replacing parts, it'll get a modern group. I went that way with my Ironman, and it gets ridden the most for that reason.
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Old 07-28-19, 07:17 AM
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Love this thread!

So many great builds here, so many members with great skills and excellent attention to detail. No reason why these old frames can't be "rejuvenated" as well with fresh new mechanicals (or electronics!). It's very encouraging to see what others do with their visions. @RiddleOfSteel, that Prologue is a perfect representation of how refined a build like this could be.

I've got an '89 Puch - Columbus Cromor tubing - that rides so nice. I don't expect the Suntour Accushift stuff on it to be problem-free forever. When the time comes to start replacing parts, it'll get a modern group. I went that way with my Ironman, and it gets ridden the most for that reason.
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Old 07-28-19, 07:42 AM
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Again with a rebuild of my 1991 Gazelle CM AB




Ultegra 6700 (53/39 crank, 12-25 6600 cassette)
Ultegra 6500 hubs / DT R450 de-stickered rims
Cinelli 1A stem / Cinelli 64-42 bars
Thomson Elite seat post / Arione black on black seat
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Runs at 11.5kg with a Blackburn frame pump, saddle bag and one large bidon on it.
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Old 07-29-19, 11:41 PM
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Another tall rider I see. The silver of the various components compliments the white and teal of the frame very nicely!
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Old 08-05-19, 12:09 PM
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Fantastic paint fade design!
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Old 08-05-19, 12:10 PM
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I've been meaning to ask this about other member's upper tier late 80s schwinn road bikes, but keep forgetting.

I have an 87 prelude and an 88 premis, both tenax, and the seat tube is quite literally slammed and squished into the bottom bracket shell to fit with the down tube(vs being mitered/coped to fit inside the shell with joining tubes).

Any chance you happened to look at the joining method of your Prologue? I know the Prologue is Panasonic built with Prestige tubing, vs Greenville built with Tenax tubing like the rest of the upper tier of bikes, but just curious if the slam and squish build method was used for the highest level bikes too(with Prestige or SL tubing).
When I converted my '88 Premis the tubes were "slammed and squished" as you put it, although I'd say they were squeezed at the end to make them clear the other tubes in the bottom bracket. While this worked ok for old school BB's when putting in a modern Shimano 24mm bearing set I did have to take a Dremel tool to the tube ends so they wouldn't interfere with the threads of the bearing cups. However, my '88 Circuit (Columbus SL) has nicely mitered and fitted tubes in the BB area. I've also modernized an '87 Super Sport which is also Tenax but the tubes are also mitered not squished. So it seems to me that only the higher level bikes, Super Sport, Circuit, Prologue, Peloton got mitering and the lower ones, Tempo, Premis, Prelude, got squished.
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Old 08-05-19, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by RiddleOfSteel View Post

Oh my!

That is a stunning build.

Do you, by chance, still have any pictures of your old chrome Super Le Tour wearing modern parts? I may have a line on some free 10 speed wheels (black H Plus Son Archetypes) that has gotten me thinking about putting 10 speed Tiagra or 105 on mine. I tried searching this thread for your posts but the pictures have gone away...
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Oh my!

That is a stunning build.

Do you, by chance, still have any pictures of your old chrome Super Le Tour wearing modern parts? I may have a line on some free 10 speed wheels (black H Plus Son Archetypes) that has gotten me thinking about putting 10 speed Tiagra or 105 on mine. I tried searching this thread for your posts but the pictures have gone away...
Thank you!

Man, two years ago feels like forever in Bike Years for me. Definitely going into the vault!

1977 Schwinn Super Le Tour 12.2 - full chrome - 25" frameset - top tube I think was just 57cm. I scraped away ALL the rust and cleaned and polished the entire frameset over many hours. New decals etc. Here is it/was waith 7900 Dura-Ace shifters, 7800 derailleurs and crankset, 9-11-speed Vuelta Corsa Lite wheels and 32mm tires. Quill stem conversion running to 31.8mm clamp diameter bars. I also ran it with chrome fenders and Campagnolo.

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Old 08-06-19, 01:36 PM
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I've got an '89 Puch - Columbus Cromor tubing - that rides so nice.
Cromor is a severely underrated tubeset, IMO. My Atala has it, and it's terrific.
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Old 08-06-19, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ski4bob View Post
When I converted my '88 Premis the tubes were "slammed and squished" as you put it, although I'd say they were squeezed at the end to make them clear the other tubes in the bottom bracket. While this worked ok for old school BB's when putting in a modern Shimano 24mm bearing set I did have to take a Dremel tool to the tube ends so they wouldn't interfere with the threads of the bearing cups. However, my '88 Circuit (Columbus SL) has nicely mitered and fitted tubes in the BB area. I've also modernized an '87 Super Sport which is also Tenax but the tubes are also mitered not squished. So it seems to me that only the higher level bikes, Super Sport, Circuit, Prologue, Peloton got mitering and the lower ones, Tempo, Premis, Prelude, got squished.
Hey thanks for the response! Interesting that they even did some Tenax level frames with mitered tubes.
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Haven't played in a while, that's for sure. Member @cpsqlrwn did me a solid on selling me this, and I'm fairly certain it's a climber for my future.

10-sp Centaur triple, Aerohead rims, and all the usual suspects. Went to Xpedo Thrust 7 pedals because they're cool. Finished it, finally.




















Well, I thought it looked really good with the Tri color group on it. But.........it looks even better now! Shiny is always hard to beat. That cable also looks better than what was on it.
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Originally Posted by familyguy View Post
Again with a rebuild of my 1991 Gazelle CM AB




Ultegra 6700 (53/39 crank, 12-25 6600 cassette)
Ultegra 6500 hubs / DT R450 de-stickered rims
Cinelli 1A stem / Cinelli 64-42 bars
Thomson Elite seat post / Arione black on black seat
Speedplay pedals
Elite cages

Runs at 11.5kg with a Blackburn frame pump, saddle bag and one large bidon on it.
Pretty bike. That paint scheme is su-weet!
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Originally Posted by RiddleOfSteel View Post
Thank you!

Man, two years ago feels like forever in Bike Years for me. Definitely going into the vault!

1977 Schwinn Super Le Tour 12.2 - full chrome - 25" frameset - top tube I think was just 57cm. I scraped away ALL the rust and cleaned and polished the entire frameset over many hours. New decals etc. Here is it/was waith 7900 Dura-Ace shifters, 7800 derailleurs and crankset, 9-11-speed Vuelta Corsa Lite wheels and 32mm tires. Quill stem conversion running to 31.8mm clamp diameter bars. I also ran it with chrome fenders and Campagnolo.

Oh my, that’s really nice! You’ve outdone yourself.
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Oh my, that’s really nice! You’ve outdone yourself.
Thank you! I think one of the reasons I ended up selling however long ago I did, was that it has that 21.0mm steerer/stem diameter to work with instead of the normal 22.2mm. Looking back, I would have been happy to have had the material removed to get it to 22.2mm. The thickness would not have been any different/less than the millions of other 22.2mm ID steerers with 1" threaded headsets, and the SLT didn't use crummy steel. Maybe another one some day, maybe a chrome Paramount frameset for a deal (really, just about any P13-9 I'd be fine with). Sometimes I thought that the SLT, especially in chrome, was a budget P13 in some ways.
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The hits keep coming. Every one posted is wow! I pick one out here are there and talk about it, but they are all smoking. So much better than the sea of Matte that we see in the modern era.
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Mid 80's Bianchi Nuova Alloro

Here's my 80's Bianchi with 10 speed record. First bike ever with integrated shifters haha
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Nice. Very nice.
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Here's my 80's Bianchi with 10 speed record. First bike ever with integrated shifters haha
Ooooohhh, another lovely teal bike! What is that between the RD cable and the RD? Looks like a demultiplicator of some kind.

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Thank you! I think one of the reasons I ended up selling however long ago I did, was that it has that 21.0mm steerer/stem diameter to work with instead of the normal 22.2mm. Looking back, I would have been happy to have had the material removed to get it to 22.2mm. The thickness would not have been any different/less than the millions of other 22.2mm ID steerers with 1" threaded headsets, and the SLT didn't use crummy steel. Maybe another one some day, maybe a chrome Paramount frameset for a deal (really, just about any P13-9 I'd be fine with). Sometimes I thought that the SLT, especially in chrome, was a budget P13 in some ways.
I hear you about the 21.0 steerer. I thought about doing something similar with my Voyageur, but @gugie convinced me that I had probably over-invested by using left over craft store paint to touch it up. (It had substantial front end collision damage when I got it.)

Your balancing of black and chrome was outstanding. It makes me think I should consider more black for my Pinarello.
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Not mine...Waterford with Campy Veloce 10spd on eBay

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Waterford-1...9ad5%7Ciid%3A1

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Just finished this. I have no real use for it so the frame sat u touched for 2 years. I threw it up on CL to see if someone can use it more than me.

'93 Cannondale T700 frame and fork. 2x9 Microshift shifters mated to Tiagra derailleurs. A Sakar crank with 50/34 rings makes for a nice modern drivetrain with older style look.
The bars are Soma hwy1 since modern bands work great with STI shifting. Deore/rhynolite wheelset finished it off.

Hope someone can use it for trail riding, commuting, or touring. A few small changes would make it a great touring bike since it has plenty of mounts.

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