Upgrade headset bearings?
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Upgrade headset bearings to fully sealed?
I did my first headset service on my 2019 Jamis Renegade which came with a FSA Orbit ITA Headset.
One of the bearings was notchy and i tried to clean it/regrease it which helped a bit but it's still not super smooth. While I may be able to do a better job (I foind removing seals tricky), the bearings only have one seal which seems like a poor design.
I could buy FSA replacements for $40 but am thinking I should look for fully sealed bearings. I've found Enduro in the upper bearing size but haven't had much luck with the lower size.
Is it worth trying to upgrade the bearings or should I stick with the OEM?
If so, where should I be looking? Any recommended retailers or brands?
The upper bearing is 30.2mm ID 41mm OD 6.5mm thick ACB 36 45
The lower bearing is 40mm ID 52mm OD 8mm thick ACB 36 45
Thanks!
One of the bearings was notchy and i tried to clean it/regrease it which helped a bit but it's still not super smooth. While I may be able to do a better job (I foind removing seals tricky), the bearings only have one seal which seems like a poor design.
I could buy FSA replacements for $40 but am thinking I should look for fully sealed bearings. I've found Enduro in the upper bearing size but haven't had much luck with the lower size.
Is it worth trying to upgrade the bearings or should I stick with the OEM?
If so, where should I be looking? Any recommended retailers or brands?
The upper bearing is 30.2mm ID 41mm OD 6.5mm thick ACB 36 45
The lower bearing is 40mm ID 52mm OD 8mm thick ACB 36 45
Thanks!
Last edited by loheiman; 11-28-20 at 02:10 PM.
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It makes sense to only seal the side exposed to the elements. If you ride in the wet a lot, use plenty of marine grease on the sealed side. If you're actually getting water in the head tube, use marine grease on the side without seals. It can't hurt. I headset should last many years, if properly adjusted. A common mistake is not applying enough preload tension. Too little preload can result in vibration beating up the bearings. The preload is only too much if the front wheel doesn't center itself, after a turn.
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do any of these look like what you need ?
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...riong&_sacat=0
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https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...riong&_sacat=0
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It makes sense to only seal the side exposed to the elements. If you ride in the wet a lot, use plenty of marine grease on the sealed side. If you're actually getting water in the head tube, use marine grease on the side without seals. It can't hurt. I headset should last many years, if properly adjusted. A common mistake is not applying enough preload tension. Too little preload can result in vibration beating up the bearings. The preload is only too much if the front wheel doesn't center itself, after a turn.
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do any of these look like what you need ?
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...riong&_sacat=0
Mark Petry
Bainbridge Island, WA
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...riong&_sacat=0
Mark Petry
Bainbridge Island, WA
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Chris King. I finally took a look at mine 5 years after I got it, and it was like new. No intrusion or anything.
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the lower bearing is the important one !
Give Enduro Bearings a call and ask for Matt. He'll sort you out.
he should at least be able to get you an orderable part number.
they are in Oakland. (510) 613-8200
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Give Enduro Bearings a call and ask for Matt. He'll sort you out.
he should at least be able to get you an orderable part number.
they are in Oakland. (510) 613-8200
Mark Petry
Bainbridge Island, WA
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If I went down the route of replacing the headset I think I might go with Wolftooth Premium which include stainless Enduro bearings. The nice thing is that the upper and lower are sold separately ($65 and $55 respectively). Anyone have experience with them?
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My favored headsets are Cane Creek for most of my stuff and Chris King for my vintage 1" threaded stuff or when I need some other colors like violet. However White Industries, Phil Wood, and Wolf Tooth makes some great headsets in the U.S. as well if you want or need other options. Phil Wood is nice if you want super high quality without being as flashy and logo'd.
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I did my first headset service on my 2019 Jamis Renegade which came with a FSA Orbit ITA Headset.
One of the bearings was notchy and i tried to clean it/regrease it which helped a bit but it's still not super smooth. While I may be able to do a better job (I foind removing seals tricky), the bearings only have one seal which seems like a poor design.
I could buy FSA replacements for $40 but am thinking I should look for fully sealed bearings. I've found Enduro in the upper bearing size but haven't had much luck with the lower size.
Is it worth trying to upgrade the bearings or should I stick with the OEM?
If so, where should I be looking? Any recommended retailers or brands?
The upper bearing is 30.2mm ID 41mm OD 6.5mm thick ACB 36 45
The lower bearing is 40mm ID 52mm OD 8mm thick ACB 36 45
Thanks!
One of the bearings was notchy and i tried to clean it/regrease it which helped a bit but it's still not super smooth. While I may be able to do a better job (I foind removing seals tricky), the bearings only have one seal which seems like a poor design.
I could buy FSA replacements for $40 but am thinking I should look for fully sealed bearings. I've found Enduro in the upper bearing size but haven't had much luck with the lower size.
Is it worth trying to upgrade the bearings or should I stick with the OEM?
If so, where should I be looking? Any recommended retailers or brands?
The upper bearing is 30.2mm ID 41mm OD 6.5mm thick ACB 36 45
The lower bearing is 40mm ID 52mm OD 8mm thick ACB 36 45
Thanks!
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From those bearing dimensions it seems you have a fork with a tapered steerer (1-1/8" x 1-1/2") so you need separate cups of the appropriate size. Cane Creek sells their upper and lower cups individually if you order through them.
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I got a response back to my inquiry from Enduro and learned that their 6.5mm thick model (ACB 6808 CC SS) will indeed work in as a lower headset bearing (the original was 8mm thick). The reason being is that the taper is in the same place, thus the difference is only how much further the bearing extends into the head tube. They also provided me the below photo to illustrate.
Thus i do not need to replace the headset and can simply replace with Enduro bearings for ~$50 total. Thanks all for your help.
ACB 6808 CC SS (left) vs single sided 8mm thick bearing
Thus i do not need to replace the headset and can simply replace with Enduro bearings for ~$50 total. Thanks all for your help.
ACB 6808 CC SS (left) vs single sided 8mm thick bearing