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POLL for Americans...What kind of units do you use?
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I use what the manufacture instructs to use. If none are available, I use my hot air to determine what is best practice. Metric is more likely used in general.
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I use whatever is convenient. Cycling related: Miles, Fahrenheit, metric dimensions on modern bikes, imperial on old bikes, some Whitworth threads too. Work related: Mostly metric, but some assemblies still have imperial fasteners. Many building materials have their own standards: Plywood comes in 4 x 8 foot sheets, but the thicknesses are not precisely in inches.
Living with two unit systems is an occasional minor inconvenience, but really doesn't matter any more. Modern design and production tools switch units effortlessly. Consumer products are mostly metric. The typical American household has a dwindling need for imperial tools.
Living with two unit systems is an occasional minor inconvenience, but really doesn't matter any more. Modern design and production tools switch units effortlessly. Consumer products are mostly metric. The typical American household has a dwindling need for imperial tools.
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Until you're doing infrastructure construction where we use tenths & hundredths of feet not inches. That asphalt lift isn't 3 inches it's .25 Ft
Then we get into water where we measure in things like CCF (hundred cubic ft),, acre feet, or Mgd (million gallons/day) depending on what you're doing
Then we get into water where we measure in things like CCF (hundred cubic ft),, acre feet, or Mgd (million gallons/day) depending on what you're doing
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We are lucky not having the old English currency and I think also their measuring system, that was something really devious. We are lucky that measuring calipers nowadays can display imperial values in fractional notation as well as decimal and convert btw the metric and imperial on the fly. With my carpenter friend, when we have done something together, I got used to call 1/16" parts the 'little guys' I would say for example, that it measures one and a half inch plus two little guys, which would be one and five eighth of an inch
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This is a sore spot with me.
I normally use metric, but sometimes have to use feet and tenths of feet, and at other times feet and inches.
I often report the same issues in metric and then in other odd units like switching from cubic meters per second, to gallons per second, to a number of acre feet delivered.
it’s enough to give one a headache.
I normally use metric, but sometimes have to use feet and tenths of feet, and at other times feet and inches.
I often report the same issues in metric and then in other odd units like switching from cubic meters per second, to gallons per second, to a number of acre feet delivered.
it’s enough to give one a headache.
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We are lucky not having the old English currency and I think also their measuring system, that was something really devious. We are lucky that measuring calipers nowadays can display imperial values in fractional notation as well as decimal and convert btw the metric and imperial on the fly. With my carpenter friend, when we have done something together, I got used to call 1/16" parts the 'little guys' I would say for example, that it measures one and a half inch plus two little guys, which would be one and five eighth of an inch
Does 4 midgets equate to 1 little guy? 7 dwarfs sum to 0.0625?
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Ronald Reagan did away with the US Metric Board as part of his American agenda ... this killed the metric conversion movement
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I’m very well versed in the metric system from my career but I don’t really use it much in my actual life. I don’t do the conversions but just estimate. For example, Fahrenheit to Celsius is mostly close enough if you just double Celsius to Fahrenheit, especially for higher temperatures. Not completely exact but close enough. For “normal” temperatures, remembering a few landmarks will help in conversions. The freezing point is water is 0°C which is easy. 20°C is 70°F which is pleasant and body temperature is 37°C so that’s hot.
I had to serve as a pro forma measurement interpreter when my wife and I did a Bike and Barge trip in Belgium. We were given a cue sheet and told to follow it for the route. The cue sheet would say something like “0.1: Turn right”. All us ‘Mericans were thinking a tenth of a mile (almost 600 feet or about 2 blocks). I had to constantly remind the other riders that Belgium uses metric distances so the “0.1” meant about 100 yards so just one city block.
One morning one of the Belgian guides was giving us a weather update and one of the ‘Mericans asked him what that temperature was in “real” units. He had no clue. I gave everyone a quick lesson in the temperatures above and everyone...’Mericans and Belgians...got it.
I do need a calculator to get exact conversions but for the most part we estimate most everything anyway.
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I have news for you, your pipes are metric in size, just called by imperial names. For example, the most common half inch copper pipe diameter is not 25.4/2 mm which is some 12.7 mm but 15 mm, same as in Europe. There are many instances where the actual sizes are round numbers in metric system but for convenience still called by the imperial system names.
I grew up in metric but moved to Canada long time ago and I can see the advantages of both system and also why the imperial is still with us (it is more natural in many ways). Canada is more metric minded but it is mixed anyway. Even in metric Europe (of course not fully counting British), for example the clock 12/24 hour system is effectively imperial, based on 12 base. If clock divisions were to be decimal, you'd have decimal points all over the clock displays which would be ridiculous.
In Canada, we use degrees Celsius but in the place I work, everything is in Fahrenheit degrees. It actually happened to me that I heard temperature forecast on radio the other day and was wondering why they use Celsius scale, I was fully expecting it to be in Fahrenheit degrees. That's how deep rooted the imperial system is among native, read long time settled folk here, in other words, true blue Canadians.
And not only them, all tradesmen that I know, that immigrated from Europe long ago or even more recently, use the mixed system. You very simply can't get around it and you don't want to because they, like everybody else, also see the advantages of the imperial system.
I grew up in metric but moved to Canada long time ago and I can see the advantages of both system and also why the imperial is still with us (it is more natural in many ways). Canada is more metric minded but it is mixed anyway. Even in metric Europe (of course not fully counting British), for example the clock 12/24 hour system is effectively imperial, based on 12 base. If clock divisions were to be decimal, you'd have decimal points all over the clock displays which would be ridiculous.
In Canada, we use degrees Celsius but in the place I work, everything is in Fahrenheit degrees. It actually happened to me that I heard temperature forecast on radio the other day and was wondering why they use Celsius scale, I was fully expecting it to be in Fahrenheit degrees. That's how deep rooted the imperial system is among native, read long time settled folk here, in other words, true blue Canadians.
And not only them, all tradesmen that I know, that immigrated from Europe long ago or even more recently, use the mixed system. You very simply can't get around it and you don't want to because they, like everybody else, also see the advantages of the imperial system.
The USA signed the International Yard and Pound treaty, along with Canada and Russia and the UK etc, way back in the late 1950s. This defined as a matter of international standards, and legally, that all the 'imperial' units were defined via metric measurements. All those 'imperial' measurements are actually defined in metric and then obfuscated, because--well--'murica'.
No matter what--the USA actually uses metric units--we just refuse to come out of the closet.
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Atomic units.
That, and \alpha = 1/137
Not everything gets to be 1.
That, and \alpha = 1/137
Not everything gets to be 1.
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I've forgotten all of them: e = c = hbar = g = i = 2 = pi = 0 = 1, or something like that.
My professor refused to use atomic units. He said it just led to formulas that couldn't be used for calculating anything, plus invited lots of dimensional errors.
In my view, metric failed in the US because of the way it was introduced. The message was, "metric is easy, it's just a bunch of math." Well, most people freeze up when they see math. I still remember a machinist who told me: "I hate the metric system because of all the math."
My professor refused to use atomic units. He said it just led to formulas that couldn't be used for calculating anything, plus invited lots of dimensional errors.
In my view, metric failed in the US because of the way it was introduced. The message was, "metric is easy, it's just a bunch of math." Well, most people freeze up when they see math. I still remember a machinist who told me: "I hate the metric system because of all the math."
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Work-wise, I always use metric units. Much more rational. Much easier math. Everything is base 10.
For things like observing the weather, purchasing gas, sizing clothing, etc, I use the crazy system that everyone does in the US. But I almost never have to do conversions (and if I do, I just use some google interface).
British pints are 20 oz rather than 16 oz. My wife ( who is British) thinks that this is a con that bartenders invented to cheat you out of 20% of your beer.
For things like observing the weather, purchasing gas, sizing clothing, etc, I use the crazy system that everyone does in the US. But I almost never have to do conversions (and if I do, I just use some google interface).
British pints are 20 oz rather than 16 oz. My wife ( who is British) thinks that this is a con that bartenders invented to cheat you out of 20% of your beer.
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Blog post by an official site of the United States government.
On a related note: I used to run a NIST affiliated calibration lab in a former life. So I went to school for this.
More detail from the government.
Short story: All Imperial units are defined in metric. Not the other way around. The US is Metric in official capacities, Imperial by convention for the proletariat. Literally, it's because it just plain costs too much to change all the road signs & there's no compelling reason to do so.
On a related note: I used to run a NIST affiliated calibration lab in a former life. So I went to school for this.
More detail from the government.
Short story: All Imperial units are defined in metric. Not the other way around. The US is Metric in official capacities, Imperial by convention for the proletariat. Literally, it's because it just plain costs too much to change all the road signs & there's no compelling reason to do so.
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My favorite are bootleg metric units like calories (both sizes) and kgf. We have some really awful units for heat like BTU’s and kilowatt-hours and therms.
Considering the power output on a bike maybe we should be using dynes and ergs
In my job a few of the properties we use have an exponential relation (due to activation energy of a chemical reaction) and the units on that equation are... put back on after you get the result
Considering the power output on a bike maybe we should be using dynes and ergs
In my job a few of the properties we use have an exponential relation (due to activation energy of a chemical reaction) and the units on that equation are... put back on after you get the result
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being BikeForums i automatically assumed the question would be understood to be directed to bikes.
being BikeForume i guess not.
being BikeForume i guess not.
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If your bike is metric, you're pretty much going to be using metric tools on it. I suppose you can search the toolbox for the closest SAE sockets and Allen bits which might fit, most of the time, but why? Proper metric tools which fit correctly are available everywhere and won't booger up the fasteners on your bike.
To put it another way, your car probably needs a 19mm socket to remove the lugnuts. A 3/4-inch socket will fit.... But it might damage the lugnuts. Why risk it?
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My favorite are bootleg metric units like calories (both sizes) and kgf. We have some really awful units for heat like BTU’s and kilowatt-hours and therms.
Considering the power output on a bike maybe we should be using dynes and ergs
In my job a few of the properties we use have an exponential relation (due to activation energy of a chemical reaction) and the units on that equation are... put back on after you get the result
Considering the power output on a bike maybe we should be using dynes and ergs
In my job a few of the properties we use have an exponential relation (due to activation energy of a chemical reaction) and the units on that equation are... put back on after you get the result
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My favorite are bootleg metric units like calories (both sizes) and kgf. We have some really awful units for heat like BTU’s and kilowatt-hours and therms.
Considering the power output on a bike maybe we should be using dynes and ergs
In my job a few of the properties we use have an exponential relation (due to activation energy of a chemical reaction) and the units on that equation are... put back on after you get the result
Considering the power output on a bike maybe we should be using dynes and ergs
In my job a few of the properties we use have an exponential relation (due to activation energy of a chemical reaction) and the units on that equation are... put back on after you get the result
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I use Smoots, Tatums, Sagans and MegaFonzies. I also find Potrzebies and Banana Equivalent Doses to be acceptable as well. The silly Murican and EuroDisney measurements aren't really worth using, I mean they are so outdated.
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