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2013 Scott CR1 - Ultegra vs 105 builds

Old 01-13-13, 04:10 PM
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2013 Scott CR1 - Ultegra vs 105 builds

I am in need of a new road bike - got both my road and tri bike stolen out of a storage unit last week. While waiting for my insurance to come through, I am currently researching how to best replace my road bike. I was riding a 2009 Masi 3VC.

95% of my riding is weekend group rides and I am hoping to adding in fast group rides. No racing in my immediate future, although I would like to progress in that direction. With that said, I would prioritize comfort over speed, but as most people, don't want to sacrifice too much speed. Ideally a nice blend of some comfort and some speed versus mostly comfort or mostly speed.

My current shop carries both Cervelo and Scott, but I am not dead set on just these two, but this is where I am starting my research. Right now its between the R3 and the CR1. I can get the 2012 R3 Rival and the 2013 R3 105 both for $2600. The CR1 Ultegra is $3500 and the the CR1 105 is $2400.

I'll ride both the CR1 and R3, but was wondering...

1. Is the 2012 R3 Rival a better buy than the 2013 R3 105 at the same price?
2. Is the CR1 Ultegra worth the $1100 difference over the CR1 105 and the R3 105?
3. Is the 105 a better buy and the price difference applied to a better wheelset?

Thanks for your input as I try to narrow down my decisions.
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Old 01-13-13, 05:05 PM
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What is the difference in other parts? And yeah the 105 with a $1100 wheel set would probably feel faster than the ultegra.
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Old 01-13-13, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Christobevii3
What is the difference in other parts? And yeah the 105 with a $1100 wheel set would probably feel faster than the ultegra.
+1! I would definitely go with the 105 plus wheelset over Ultegra.
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2013 R3 105
Fork: Cervélo FK30
Headset: FSA IS3 Tapered - 6mm TC
Seatpost: 3T Palladio Team
Rear Derailleur: Shimano 105 Black
Front Derailleur: Shimano 105 Black
Shifters: Shimano 105
Brake Calipers: Shimano 105 Black
Bottom Bracket: FSA BBright
Crankset: FSA BBright 50/34
Handlebar: 3T Ergonova
Stem: 3T ARX
Saddle: Selle Royal Seta
Cassette: Shimano 105 11-25T
Chain: Shimano 105
Wheels: Shimano RS501
Tires: Vittoria Rubino Pro 23c

2013 CR1 105
7,9kg / 17,41634lbs
Fork:Scott CR1 HMF NET
1 1/8 " Carbon steerer
Integrated Carbon Dropout
Headset:Ritchey PRO Int. Cartridge
Derailleur (Rear):Shimano 105 Black
RD-5700A 20 Speed
Derailleur (Front):Shimano 105 FD-5700 Black
Shifters:Shimano 105 Black ST-5700
Dual control 20 Speed

Brakes:Shimano 105 BR-5700 Black
Super SLR Dual pivot
Crankset:Shimano 105 FC-5700
Hollowtech II 39/53 T Black
BB-Set:INT SM-BB7141
Handlebar:Syncros RR2.0
Anatomic 31.8 mm
H'stem:Syncros FL2.0
1-1/8" / four Bolt 31.8 mm
Seatpost:Syncros Carbon RR1.2 31.6/300 mm
Seat:SYNCROS RR2.0
Hub (Front):Shimano WH RS10-A
Hub (Rear):Shimano WH RS10-A
Chain:Shimano 105 CN-5701
Cassette:Shimano 105 CS-5700
11-25 T
Spokes:Shimano WH RS10-A
Rims:Shimano WH RS10-A
16 Front / 20 Rear
Tires:Continental

Other specs seem pretty much equal. Can you order from Scott and pick your paint job? The frames are the same but I'd prefer the frame color that is shown with the Ultegra build. Has anyone ordered through their shop from Scott and been able to pick a frame with a color scheme other than the specific color scheme shown on the site shown with a particular build?
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Why do so many people bash on 105. The difference between that and Ultegra is more often than not, marginal.
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Old 01-13-13, 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by flashpoint145
Why do so many people bash on 105. The difference between that and Ultegra is more often than not, marginal.
I broke 2 105 shifters at 10K miles. I've got Ultegra & DA shifters with >25k.
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Depending where you live too, the compact on the 105 may be an annoyance. I prefer 53/39 but I also have a slower cadence. A lot of ultegra builds seem to have the larger crank or an option. Again, nothing that can't be replaced easily later with new rings.
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Old 01-14-13, 12:23 AM
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The first thing I'd do is decide which frame I liked better, the R3 or the CR1. Having spent a few hours on a CR1, I'd say it really is a delightful ride--neutral, quick handling, snappy acceleration, and just a nice, responsive feel over the road--the sort of ride that disappears under you. I haven't ridden an R3.

Regarding 105 (the 5700 incarnation), it's rock-solid. Most of the guys who broke 105 levers were using 5600. With Ultegra you're getting slightly fewer grams and slightly nicer look and feel. You can't go wrong either way. Shimano R510 wheels are really swell for everyday riding. If you want something fancier for big rides, do it later and save the R510s for rainy days and winter.

Regarding standard vs compact cranks, the drop between 50 and 34 is annoying, so get compact only if you do most of your riding in a seriously hilly area and you're old or you have a weight problem. I use compact, but I'm 60 and I live in Colorado. If I were 10 years younger and 10 lbs lighter standard cranks would be a no-brainer.
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Originally Posted by oldbobcat
get compact only if you do most of your riding in a seriously hilly area and you're old or you have a weight problem. I use compact, but I'm 60 and I live in Colorado.
Well I hit all 3 of those criteria so I'm glad I got compact on my recent bike purchase [Boulder also]
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Originally Posted by oldbobcat
Regarding 105 (the 5700 incarnation), it's rock-solid. Most of the guys who broke 105 levers were using 5600.
The shifters I broke were 5600 or older.
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Old 01-14-13, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Duffeymt
I am in need of a new road bike - got both my road and tri bike stolen out of a storage unit last week. While waiting for my insurance to come through, I am currently researching how to best replace my road bike. I was riding a 2009 Masi 3VC.

95% of my riding is weekend group rides and I am hoping to adding in fast group rides. No racing in my immediate future, although I would like to progress in that direction. With that said, I would prioritize comfort over speed, but as most people, don't want to sacrifice too much speed. Ideally a nice blend of some comfort and some speed versus mostly comfort or mostly speed.

My current shop carries both Cervelo and Scott, but I am not dead set on just these two, but this is where I am starting my research. Right now its between the R3 and the CR1. I can get the 2012 R3 Rival and the 2013 R3 105 both for $2600. The CR1 Ultegra is $3500 and the the CR1 105 is $2400.

I'll ride both the CR1 and R3, but was wondering...

1. Is the 2012 R3 Rival a better buy than the 2013 R3 105 at the same price?
2. Is the CR1 Ultegra worth the $1100 difference over the CR1 105 and the R3 105?
3. Is the 105 a better buy and the price difference applied to a better wheelset?

Thanks for your input as I try to narrow down my decisions.
Maybe I'm crazy, but there must be some huge difference in either wheelsets or frame construction between the CR1 with 105 and the CR1 with Ultegra. A quick ebay search for complete new groupsets shows that the 6700 Ultegra is only about $200-300 more than a complete 5700 105 group. Even the Ui2 electronic Ultegra group should only be $600 or so more than the 105 group if you're buying just the equipment.

Anyway, forgetting that huge price gap, I'd say get the 105, and I'd also say at least test ride a more comfort oriented frame like the Cervelo RS, Specialized Roubaix, Trek Domane, or whatever Scott's equivalent may be in that category. It's a misconception that you are "sacrificing" speed by getting a bike of this sort. If anything, for a majority of road riders you're gaining speed because you aren't as beat up during rides and can train for longer. There's nothing inherently slow about a comfort oriented bike (they're mostly developed as race bikes for pro teams competing in races over rough roads), they're usually just as light as something like a CR1, they have the same or similar groupsets, ect. The difference is usually a "relaxed" geometry that allows you to sit more comfortably and most companies also include some sort of proprietary shock absording gizmo (zertz inserts and special seatpost in the roubaix, iso-coupler in the trek, shaped seatstays on the cervelo). People consider them "slower" because they can put you in a slightly less aero position depending on how you set the bike up and they are not as twitchy and stiff for racing, but those differences are honestly only needed at the absolute margin, meaning you won't notice unless you're already a competitive racer and losing to guys on aero race bikes by a matter of a few seconds or tenths after hours of racing. If you are just getting in to group rides, you're a long way from needing the advantages a "race" frame offers, so I'd at least consider something with a little more comfort.


Remember, you don't buy speed, you only get it by training. 105 vs Ultegra is also a silly debate to be having as a non-racer. There's nothing "faster" about Ultegra, it's just a little lighter and slightly more durable (debatable). If you have the extra money and don't have anything else to spend it on, go for it.
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Originally Posted by flashpoint145
Why do so many people bash on 105. The difference between that and Ultegra is more often than not, marginal.
Who are all of these people? I see more people giving much praise to 105 than not...
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I love my 105 shifters, both 5600 and 5700 (broke one cable on the 5600 ones) but when I rode my buddies Ultegra equipped bike the noticeable difference is how much more solid the Ultegra is over the 105 (in regards to the snappyness of the shift and notice clunks of awesomeness). Ultegra will also have better resale, if that matters at all.
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I hate my 105! Its too dang reliable and works well enough that I cant upgrade to DA 9000. Stupid 105...
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The shifters I broke were 5600 or older.
Left shifter?
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