Is the fully integrated cockpit inevitable?
03-05-21, 04:47 AM
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Between eating seatposts and this, they really didn't engineer the new Aeroad properly.
03-05-21, 11:34 AM
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Apart from the gee whiz factor, the integrated bars are a solution in search of a problem. Besides, I like being able to experiment with stem lengths and bar angles. While it will help a little with aero, for most of us it won't make a difference in our ride. BTW, I feel the same way about integrated cabling. While I wouldn't reject a bike that had it, I also wouldn't buy a bike because it had it. Cables have never gotten in my way, and I like the idea of being able to change them without fishing them out of the frame. I don't think about "unsightly" in terms of my bikes, except when it might come to something like psychedelic handlebar tape or gaudy strobe lights around wheels. Actually, I think the sharper my bike looks the better chance it will get stolen. Luckily, most bike thieves don't know the value of titanium bikes, at least I hope so.
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03-05-21, 05:00 PM
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My two cents:
People want adjustability. Integrated systems I am seeing above lack that. Some makers may introduce integrated systems with more adjustability, but of course proprietary interfaces between components, which I avoid like the plague. I've hated that for cranks/chainrings/bottom-brackets, brakes/hubs, etc. I want long-term serviceability, cheaply. And durability; What's my name?
Integrated systems may actually weigh more, unless fabricated from carbon fiber, which I avoid like the plague. With aluminum, it is very difficult and would require very expensive tooling to fabricate a strong and light integrated handlebar and stem. With (old style) separate components, you can tailor the processes for the components; Drawn tube for the handlebar, forging or good casting processes for the stem.
People want adjustability. Integrated systems I am seeing above lack that. Some makers may introduce integrated systems with more adjustability, but of course proprietary interfaces between components, which I avoid like the plague. I've hated that for cranks/chainrings/bottom-brackets, brakes/hubs, etc. I want long-term serviceability, cheaply. And durability; What's my name?
Integrated systems may actually weigh more, unless fabricated from carbon fiber, which I avoid like the plague. With aluminum, it is very difficult and would require very expensive tooling to fabricate a strong and light integrated handlebar and stem. With (old style) separate components, you can tailor the processes for the components; Drawn tube for the handlebar, forging or good casting processes for the stem.
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03-06-21, 09:30 AM
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My two cents:
People want adjustability. Integrated systems I am seeing above lack that. Some makers may introduce integrated systems with more adjustability, but of course proprietary interfaces between components, which I avoid like the plague. I've hated that for cranks/chainrings/bottom-brackets, brakes/hubs, etc. I want long-term serviceability, cheaply. And durability; What's my name?
Integrated systems may actually weigh more, unless fabricated from carbon fiber, which I avoid like the plague. With aluminum, it is very difficult and would require very expensive tooling to fabricate a strong and light integrated handlebar and stem. With (old style) separate components, you can tailor the processes for the components; Drawn tube for the handlebar, forging or good casting processes for the stem.
People want adjustability. Integrated systems I am seeing above lack that. Some makers may introduce integrated systems with more adjustability, but of course proprietary interfaces between components, which I avoid like the plague. I've hated that for cranks/chainrings/bottom-brackets, brakes/hubs, etc. I want long-term serviceability, cheaply. And durability; What's my name?
Integrated systems may actually weigh more, unless fabricated from carbon fiber, which I avoid like the plague. With aluminum, it is very difficult and would require very expensive tooling to fabricate a strong and light integrated handlebar and stem. With (old style) separate components, you can tailor the processes for the components; Drawn tube for the handlebar, forging or good casting processes for the stem.
